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MajikMyst
04.30.2013 , 06:25 AM | #491
Quote: Originally Posted by SithVeritas View Post
Wanna stop double and triple posting all the time, MajikMyst?
It's bad enough that you have no idea what your talking about without me having to see half a page of it.

Second your way of thinking is so irrational and based on assumptions and 'facts' you have no sources of, and everyone else's attempt at making you understand our side seem to bounce of that head, so I'm not even going to try discussing this with you.
Translation..

I have no facts of my own so I will just insult you and pretend I know it all..

Dude.. Do you actually think you have to purchase the Cathar?? See you are right.. You have no facts.. It is hard to purchase something when you are using free money.. Using grant money to unlock the Cathar is technically not purchasing it.. It is getting it for free because the money used was free..

Thanks for the insults though.. They were a good laugh.. But I will just consider the source..
Who is the more foolish? The fool or the fool that follows him?

[.] Lost but never forgotten!! 12-01-2011 R.I.P.

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beefyandbeef
04.30.2013 , 06:32 AM | #492
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
I believe the issue that you wanted to have addressed is that currently it states "Full access to all character creation choices." As of this moment this terminology is still correct as subscribers do have full access to those choices. We will be updating that page (along with any others that make similar references) once Game Update 2.1 goes live.

-eric
Animal Farm anyone? They're changing the rules to how they want them.....
Just like in Animal Farm:
"No animal shall sleep in a bed
Revised= no animal shall sleep in a bed with sheets"
So subscribers are supposed to have full customization options; however, they think they can just change the rule!
"Subscribers have full customization access
Revised= Subscribers have more customization options then others, but we really want money so we don't care"
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Kilora
04.30.2013 , 06:33 AM | #493
Quote: Originally Posted by SithVeritas View Post
[pointless attacks aimed at others]

Again, this.
Stop being greedy BioWare, you've already told us you're making more than enough money from the CM both at GDC and multiple interviews, milk your customers like this and you will have successfully attempted to kill SWTOR a second time, and this time it'll probably stick, at least for me and everyone I play with.
Where did they say they make "more than enough money"? Funny that I've never heard that. . .

Quote: Originally Posted by SithVeritas View Post
This is the dumbest decision you're ever going to make with this game if you guys go through with it, diminishing subscription value and losing a lot of us, and making the chances of F2P subscribing even less likely.

Why the hell would we subscribe if we're going to have to pay for basic features anyway?
I know our answer is, we won't.
So, having a NEW race added to the game is a basic feature? Maybe in your eyes -- in NO way shape or form does this negatively affect your gameplay.

Quote: Originally Posted by SithVeritas View Post
Before any of you pro defenders get all mad and on your high horse, by our I mean my guildies, my friends and I, and everyone else who agrees with me.
So...
Don't think anyone cares who you're talking about. I replace 'I' for any plural pronouns, because you are only talking for yourself. Same as anyone else.



So. You have a new option for race. If you want it badly enough, ONE month of a sub + security key, and you can get it without paying any extra. This isn't a basic feature, it isn't actual content -- it offers no change of gameplay at all. To say you're being "required" to spend your monthly grant is hilarious.

Or, if you're like me and MANY of the others that have posted in this thread -- you just won't buy them because you don't want to play thundercats. And, seems to me that all the other species unlocks are on the GTN, no? So -- there's the in-game method of getting it.

Those are your options. I don't care to argue about whether or not this is a slippery slope, because no one but BW knows what they will do in the future.

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Kilora
04.30.2013 , 06:35 AM | #494
Quote: Originally Posted by beefyandbeef View Post
Animal Farm anyone? They're changing the rules to how they want them.....
Just like in Animal Farm:
"No animal shall sleep in a bed
Revised= no animal shall sleep in a bed with sheets"
So subscribers are supposed to have full customization options; however, they think they can just change the rule!
"Subscribers have full customization access
Revised= Subscribers have more customization options then others, but we really want money so we don't care"
Just a note -- it doesn't say anywhere that we have full customization access. Only full character creation access.

And even then -- it is inherently false already. You can't make a jedi that is sith pureblood unless you've PAID to unlock that race, or played through the game with the race already.

And, cathar will barely be different. Like the other racial unlocks, I'm sure It'll be tradeable -- don't wanna spend a month of your stipend, but want cathar? Get some credits and hit up the GTN.

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MajikMyst
04.30.2013 , 06:38 AM | #495
Quote: Originally Posted by beefyandbeef View Post
Animal Farm anyone? They're changing the rules to how they want them.....
Just like in Animal Farm:
"No animal shall sleep in a bed
Revised= no animal shall sleep in a bed with sheets"
So subscribers are supposed to have full customization options; however, they think they can just change the rule!
"Subscribers have full customization access
Revised= Subscribers have more customization options then others, but we really want money so we don't care"
Dude.. It is called grant money.. Every subscriber gets it.. It isn't going to cost us anything and that isn't going to change..

They are changing the site because obvious isn't obvious enough..
Who is the more foolish? The fool or the fool that follows him?

[.] Lost but never forgotten!! 12-01-2011 R.I.P.

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Eillack
04.30.2013 , 06:43 AM | #496
Quote: Originally Posted by beefyandbeef View Post
Animal Farm anyone? They're changing the rules to how they want them.....
Just like in Animal Farm:
"No animal shall sleep in a bed
Revised= no animal shall sleep in a bed with sheets"
So subscribers are supposed to have full customization options; however, they think they can just change the rule!
"Subscribers have full customization access
Revised= Subscribers have more customization options then others, but we really want money so we don't care"
I doubt anyone else here read that amazing book haha. But yes, it's more troubling that EAware is a perfect match to that.

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JerForceOne
04.30.2013 , 08:08 AM | #497
I'm not worried, i probably won't even buy the cathar. I hate cats.

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PlasmaJohn
04.30.2013 , 08:14 AM | #498
Quote: Originally Posted by Eillack View Post
I doubt anyone else here read that amazing book haha. But yes, it's more troubling that EAware is a perfect match to that.
An excellent excellent cautionary tale that I highly recommend to anybody. I know it's on my kids' school reading lists. When I read his post I was thinking "oh how apt".

That said... I hate it. Not because of terrible writing but because of the story itself. I was upset for a week after I finished it. I really don't need that kind of stress these days

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TheNahash
04.30.2013 , 08:16 AM | #499
Quote: Originally Posted by Eillack View Post
I doubt anyone else here read that amazing book haha. But yes, it's more troubling that EAware is a perfect match to that.
And I doubt the guy who quoted it truly understands that what Orwell was talking about was something much greater than a pastime that has virtually no consequences in anyone's life.

But then again, there are people out there who think EA is the worst company in America, because they make bad video games or because their CS is bad, so it kind of makes sense...

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SithVeritas
04.30.2013 , 08:27 AM | #500
Quote: Originally Posted by Eillack View Post
I doubt anyone else here read that amazing book haha. But yes, it's more troubling that EAware is a perfect match to that.
What's even more troubling is the fact that we got them to give F2P 2 extra actionbars when they realized it could potentially stop acquisition of new players, but when it comes to doing right by their subs there's not enough ****s they couldn't give.

They're doing something no other game has done before, charging for use of the barbershop. That's just shows how much they consider us to be 'not going anywhere'.