Subscription: Advertisement vs Truth

You are, CE got a 1K flat gift, but doesn't get 100 per month.

Charge more for what?? Subscribers get a monthly grant to buy it with.. For F2P players??? Your darn right!! They don't pay a month to month subscription..

And what is wrong with unlocking races or species?? We have been doing that since the beta!! This isn't new!! Just seems like this thread is full of chicken little's 'The sky is falling because we have to unlock a race or species..'

Good grief..

Where were you people when you learned that you had to unlock the Chiss or Sith Pure Blood to use on the republic side?? I mean my word..

Oh.. Well.. Then I don't know.. Other than to say that according to my ledger I get 600 and then 100 for security..

I'm not sure (and lazy to go check) but isn't it because you sub for like 3 or 6 months at time ?

I don't see the difference because there is no difference.. Well.. Let me rephrase that.. There is one glaring difference that you do not see.. The game is free to play now.. The other races were added to the game prior to launch.. So the system and rules they go by are different than the Cathar today, now that the game is F2P..

Many of the players in SWTOR, do NOT pay a monthly subscription.. Which means any money they get out of those players will come from the Cartel Market.. To make sure they get some money from those folks, they put it in the Cartel Market.. They have to buy their coins.. Subscribers do not..

So it isn't an issue of me seeing the difference.. As a subscriber.. There is no difference.. Because to me, the unlock will be free.. I won't have to pay for it.. I will use my grant money that I get every month..

Which by the way is in full compliance with Bioware's advertisement of being a subscriber..

6 month subs get 600 coins, its incrimiental at 500->550->600 and then 100 for the key, i have ce and i dont get any extra coins a month for that, i only got the extra coins when the f2p hit.

That could be.. I am a 6 month sub.. I just know how much I get cause of the ledger thing.. Beyond that.. I don't really pay much attention to that stuff..

Well.. Ok.. There we go.. I stand corrected!!

I don't know what to say about this.. Other than the fact that you really like ranting about nothing and you think you got it all covered..

First and foremost.. You need learn to look at issues from a much broader perspective.. Effort is in fact something that can be considered currency or something of value.. It is an investment of time..

Did we get all the races free?? Yes and no.. To a player that has no desire to play one faction or the other, the faction specific races are not free.. That is just a fact.. You can dispute it all you want.. It isn't going to change anything.. Since the release of the game, the reality of unlocking races has existed.. That is also a fact..

Where your argument runs into problems is that you weren't able to look at the issue as a whole.. What if the Cathar were simply given to the republic players and imp players had to unlock it.. See the problem?? It is still free right?? According to you?? What if it was an imp only thing and the republic had to unlock it?? Using your logic.. It would still be free.. Even though 1 faction or the other would have to either level a character to 50 or pay credits or CC to unlock it.. I don't care what you say.. That is not free..

Credits Vs. CC.. This is actually a simple issue to address.. Pre F2P and Post F2P.. Again?? See the problem with your rant?? F2P forces the Cathar unlock to be in the Cartel Market so the F2P player can buy it.. Sadly that is the reality of a F2P game.. Bioware can no longer count on subscription money to pay the bills and keep the lights on.. So they have to make their money in other ways.. Which is why they give us subscribers a monthly grant.. So that we can buy stuff on the market, without actually having to fork out any additional money.. Although, I will admit to having bought some more coins.. The packs can be addicting..

Every subscriber can get it for free.. Assuming they are at least fairly decent at managing their money.. If not they may have to wait a month.. Or fork out a whopping $5 that you can probably find buried in the couch, to buy a some coins to get it now.. That is of course assuming you are not totally broke.. It is their choice and no way violates what Bioware has stated about subscribers having full access.. We have that access free of charge.. Thanks to our monthly grant.. But we also have to take responsibility for our own spending.. That isn't Bioware's issue or responsibility..

So you see.. All your ranting was really for nothing.. Kind of like this thread was really about nothing.. There is no violation here.. No false advertisement.. Just a few people that seem bent on QQ about something that is totally meaningless and baseless.. The idea of unlocking different species has been in the game since before launch.. Because of F2P, Bioware has to change the rules a little bit by making it a Cartel Market purchase.. But all subscribers are given at the very least 500cc a month.. Some get up 700cc a month.. In either case.. That is free money given to us as a part of our subscription.. You can also get another 100cc by just getting a security key.. Which is actually free as well with the smart phone app.. Subscribers get these coins so that we don't have to out right buy coins to get the Cathar unlock.. The F2P people will have to buy those coins..

As for a post being the worst in the bunch?? Well.. Pat yourself on the back..

Wanna stop double and triple posting all the time, MajikMyst?
It's bad enough that you have no idea what your talking about without me having to see half a page of it.

Second your way of thinking is so irrational and based on assumptions and 'facts' you have no sources of, and everyone else's attempt at making you understand our side seem to bounce of that head, so I'm not even going to try discussing this with you.


Again, this.
Stop being greedy BioWare, you've already told us you're making more than enough money from the CM both at GDC and multiple interviews, milk your customers like this and you will have successfully attempted to kill SWTOR a second time, and this time it'll probably stick, at least for me and everyone I play with.


This is the dumbest decision you're ever going to make with this game if you guys go through with it, diminishing subscription value and losing a lot of us, and making the chances of F2P subscribing even less likely.

Why the hell would we subscribe if we're going to have to pay for basic features anyway?
I know our answer is, we won't.

Before any of you pro defenders get all mad and on your high horse, by our I mean my guildies, my friends and I, and everyone else who agrees with me.
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