Enough with Pre-mades vs Randoms! This needs to be fixed!

Um, thanks for educating me on my own disability limits? That's classy.

People don't generally pre-make groups for one match, or with people who may have to drop out repeatedly, or simply leave before much can get done. I'm not refusing because it's a chore, I'm pointing out that it's not particularly viable for me (or for people with fussy babies, or people with young kids, or insert real life situation here). You lecture me on flexibility, and yet you insist this is the only way that things can possibly be done (and again with the 'pre-mades are more social than grouping up and working with different people every match').

But enough on that for the moment. This is what I would ask: isn't rolling over newbies or low skilled players in PUGs boring after a while? Where's the investment that this must be defended so rigorously?

TL;DR - If only MMO's were more like single player games and had a difficulty setting.

You put limitations on yourself, that is why you are here in this thread. It is not the only way to get it done, there are others, but it is the most fruitful way which is clear by how you admit to leave and not enter the PvP queue because of one factor group. You did not answer my question upon whether you tried or not which is easy to presume you did not bother. As for what people generally do. Well, that's the point isn't it? What people generally do is not working, and what the factors do is working, thus the purpose of this thread.

It's entirely convenient to ask people to join but clearly outside your comfort zone and for those to oppose as well. I can tell the people who come here and troll saying "get good bro" are those who already know how this works and they're way beyond this thread. But I don't feel like doing the same. People come and go alot in pug premades that I make daily, that's ok, you have to learn that some people are not meant for it and become frustrated much like yourself because they do not understand how team play works. You continue to pick up people along the way. There's 7 other people in each game you play for 10-15 minutes, if you did not suffer from tunnel vision in midst of PvP you can observe how they play. They may suit your standards, and you can then request for them to join. It's a simple yes or no answer, and most people I've come across easily say yes.

Does that mean we utterly own in PvP? No, not even close. But we work together to complete the task and fight against the odds. It's better to have a group of people that suffer from the same pain you do, than to wallow in your own failures.

As for your last quesiton, for a premade team? It depends on which kind, because there is no one type of group. I have played with friends who I have known for years and they know my mindset and actions in the game, and it factors into how we play considerably. There's teams that just form and may not be skilled or fluid in team effort as well. So when opposing another pug group with a strong friend based team? No, most of them lack the skill and knowledge to compete and lose in PvP not objectives. Usually these players will not return to pvp us, and this goes for premades too. When facing another premade not all of them return with the wrath of Crom to crush us. They lose hope and fade, going to do objectives.

Which is why I suggest you play in a premade, and try to form a group, because you will then understand what it means to work in a team and to build one, and to lose people as you go while still remaining. If you cannot speak to people on your team in a pug match, then of course you're immediately at a disadvantage. But honstly all it takes is a single pm from you or them to get things going. It's just a building process, much like that of obtaining knowledge of mechanics, and timing skills. It's one of the many aspects of PvP.

Try this:

Step 1: Log on
Step 2: Type "/gu Who wants to join me in pvp?"
Step 3: Invite people who respond.
Step 4: Que for WZ's.

BAM, fixed.

Sure, if that difficulty setting is 'I want to have no chance whatsoever to actually play this game, please enable god-mode for all enemies'. Also, I hate to break it to you, but MMOs do have difficulty settings. That's why enemies have level and con ratings, and content grouped by playstyle. That's also why there are things like 'hard-mode' and 'story-mode' on this game. Or, you know, ranked warzones.

It is what it is. I've merely laid out what's driving me away from PVP, and suggested it may also be driving away others. I'm no real loss. But it's a shame to find something you enjoy being monopolized by healer-stacked farm groups.

Look, I know what it means to work in a team/group and build one. This is not my first MMO rodeo. Please stop assuming that I don't.

If by your question you meant 'did I try to direct the group toward a unified goal' then the answer is yes. It is definitely outside my comfort zone, but I have been trying that. A later PUG that was up against a group that was strong but not one of the server pre-mades (which I will again point out on my server appears to be incredibly rare) ended up succeeding precisely because I started giving directions and everyone started callouts and evenly splitting between our two held nodes. But a match immediately after that with many of the same people failed because it was up against a pre-made (yes, the same damn one).

I appreciate your attempts at helping me find a solution toward my woes, just not the assumptions being made in the process. But as mentioned above, whether or not I stick with PVP isn't really a big deal. I'm not going to become someone terribly good at it, and I don't have very much invested in that part of the game (I'm a super newbie, I've been playing for all of a month, maybe). My point is that there are other people like me who could very well become very good players and contribute to the PVP community in a positive fashion, but the way that warzones are happening now, these new players get to experience pretty much nothing but constant, overwhelming defeat, often followed up by 'lol noob' comments in /say from the pre-made team.

Those pre-mades are winning because they improved their skills to be above average, by working for it. From my experience that's kind of how every online game has worked since the beginning of online gaming.

It seems pretty common that more serious players, group up, get better than the majority and win a lot... I've never seen it as a problem. Seems more like a competitive edge.

And on a side not... Don't forget, there are a ton of crappy pre-mades too. BTW, that little highlighted part.... you know you have access to all the things that make them "god mode" right? I mean... the only real difference is skill so are these complaints really any different than asking for a difficulty setting?

TL;DR - If only MMO's were more like single player games and had a difficulty setting.