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Rankyn
04.29.2013 , 10:44 AM | #291
Quote: Originally Posted by Lostpenguins View Post
No, you're wrong. Good luck trying to use an advertisement for coca cola being 5 cents back from 1930's and using it now. Advertisements are only legitimate for so long as they are being currently used. Currently, BW's advertisement is true, thus they aren't being shady.
This.
The game is evolving and something that is true as of this moment won't be completely accurate once 2.1 is released so when that happens (and not before), they'll update the language.

That's why you often see the phrase "subject to change without notice" or "while supplies last" in disclaimers.
It keeps people from trying to play armchair lawyer on things like this.

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SithVeritas
04.29.2013 , 10:45 AM | #292
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
I believe the issue that you wanted to have addressed is that currently it states "Full access to all character creation choices." As of this moment this terminology is still correct as subscribers do have full access to those choices. We will be updating that page (along with any others that make similar references) once Game Update 2.1 goes live.

-eric
Way to screw your playerbase over.

Forget you guys.

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CosmicKat
04.29.2013 , 10:47 AM | #293
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
I believe the issue that you wanted to have addressed is that currently it states "Full access to all character creation choices." As of this moment this terminology is still correct as subscribers do have full access to those choices. We will be updating that page (along with any others that make similar references) once Game Update 2.1 goes live.

-eric
I am reminded of the scene in 1984...

Q: How do you spin a reduction in the chocolate ration from 30g to 25g?

A: You announce it as an increase in the chocolate ration from 20g to 25g.

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JediCahlwyn
04.29.2013 , 10:49 AM | #294
Quote: Originally Posted by SithVeritas View Post
Way to screw your playerbase over.

Forget you guys.
They aren't screwing anyone over. Come on guys you are blowing it way out of proportion. Is this what gamers and the modern society has devolved into? A bunch of whiners who blow the tiniest thing out of proportion in a huge attempt at attention seeking?

Boo-hoo! Oh noes, Bioware/EA wants to make a profit on a product that they have to pay to create & maintain. The horrible people they are... come on, grow up. You don't like it? Don't play!
--Master Jerrec Cahlwyn--
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Lostpenguins
04.29.2013 , 10:49 AM | #295
Quote: Originally Posted by ML_DoubleTap View Post
Not a very good comparison, but fair enough. Everything I stated was simply my opinion, and in my opinion it is a poor decision to charge the way it sounds like they are planning on. I spend a lot of money on this game in xp buffs, character unlocks, but charging per customization and per slider seems a little excessive. I'd have rather it been a one time unlock/purchase for general appearance. But, like I said, it's not something I'm that extremely upset over.

On another note, putting colors into packs seems like another pretty poor decision. If they're going to charge for something as simple as changing the color on a piece of gear they should at the very least allow them to be bought directly.
Depends on what the costs per slider. Here's the thing, micro-transactions are better for people using them on a smaller scale. I only plan on changing my toon's body type (I hate Body Type 3 clipping in this game) and hair-style. Everything else will stay the same, so I'm happy I'm not paying a higher cost for only using 2 of the features.

I haven't read anything on the color dyes, but if they're from packs, and if they're pretty common, you can expect to see them flooding the GTN for cheap prices.
Quote: Originally Posted by Alec_Fortescue View Post
What about someone watching recent trailers and deciding to buy TOR now without knowing that this information is gonna change soon?
Ignorance doesn't declare innocence. Besides, anyone who is looking at those trailers from before mentioning how they can play all the races would never have seen Cathar as a playable race, thus they shouldn't be misled to believe that Cathar would be free to play.

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Dragonesque
04.29.2013 , 10:51 AM | #296
Quote: Originally Posted by CosmicKat View Post
I am reminded of the scene in 1984...

Q: How do you spin a reduction in the chocolate ration from 30g to 25g?

A: You announce it as an increase in the chocolate ration from 20g to 25g.
I'm curious as to what reminded you of that scene, since it is entirely irrelevant.

Language for sub features are relevant and accurate at present. Disclaimers always say subject to change. They are changing the language as the features change. Problem?

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Andryah
04.29.2013 , 10:51 AM | #297
Quote: Originally Posted by ML_DoubleTap View Post
Not directed at me, but I use my monthly allotment, plus a lot more. Since 2.0 I've bought 2 of the 5500 coin lots. I enjoy this game a lot and don't have a problem w/ paying for things. But charging per toon, per customization and per slider is a bit far in my opinion. Obviously not in your opinion and that's fine. We both pay our subscription and are both perfectly entitled to share that opinion with those we pay.
By contrast... I for the most part save my monthly allotment. I only spend on things that I cannot aquire off the GTN for reasonable price. Most often.. I spend to buy legacy speeder access for a new character or an unlock that is IMO too pricey in game (such as the last slot in a cargo bay, and even these.. I buy the unlock off the GTN most of the time). I have never purchased coins and I currently have almost 3000.

My point? The personal economics of cartel coins is personal. It in no way reflects any form of entitlement to have something free from Bioware just becasue of how one manages their cartel coins.
When you find yourself surrounded by hostile Clowns... always go for the "Juggler" first.

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ninjonxb
04.29.2013 , 10:52 AM | #298
Wow people need to learn to think...
People are complaining that they are changing the wording to remove things from the game... WHAT?
They are changing the wording because they are adding ADDITIONAL things that you do not automatically get with a subscription.
It is no different than with RoTC and any expansion pack ever put out. You don't automatically get what is in that expansion pack just because you have a subscription.
In WoW did you gat access the blood elves, dranai, or Pandarin. NO you had to BUY the expansion pack to have ACCESS.

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Lostpenguins
04.29.2013 , 10:54 AM | #299
Quote: Originally Posted by CosmicKat View Post
I am reminded of the scene in 1984...

Q: How do you spin a reduction in the chocolate ration from 30g to 25g?

A: You announce it as an increase in the chocolate ration from 20g to 25g.
Wow... look, it's CosmicKat with the bad analogies.

Total # of playable races before 2.1 w/out add'l costs to play them: 9.
Total # of playable races on and after 2.1 w/out add'l costs to play them: 9.

That doesn't look like a reduction to me. So really, it's 30g to 30g, they just offered you the ability to get a 35mg version for a slightly higher cost (if you can't save up 600 coins from your sub stipend which means, it's basically free).

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Starglitter
04.29.2013 , 10:57 AM | #300
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
They don't have to tell you anything.. The money you get from your entitlement is yours to spend on whatever you want.. What ever you spend it on, those are FREE coins.. You did not pay for them.. They came as part of your subscription.. So whatever you did buy with them, you got for free.. So why are you complaining about having to pay for the Cathar unlock or anything else..

There is nothing wrong with what they are doing.. They are not false advertising and they are treating subscribers poorly..

As for the OP?? We as subscribers were never promised full access to customizations.. What is being talked about is a barber shop type function.. That does a lot more than just cut your hair.. Typically speaking.. Thinks like this are in a cash shop or purchased from a website..

He should change his thread title.. His truth V. Truth..
Do you work for SWTOR? If not, they should hire you...

I think you are splitting hairs, just to be argumentative.

It is in poor taste, to give subscribers and allotment of cartel currency that originally was intended for you to get more enjoyment of the game and later change the definition of said allotment to actually use the content of an expansion.

Its like me telling you I am giving yo a $10 allowance to go and have fun, and a month later I come to you and say, if you want to eat, use your allowance.

I know, there is nothing illegal in doing this, but it does not remove the lack of taste by doing so. Just because something is legal, it does not make it nice, nor mandatroy you should like either.

Oh and by the way, the coin allowance you get its not free, you did pay for them as part of the benefits associated with the subscription, its part of the package. If they are free, then anyone would get them regardless of subscription status; huge difference.

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