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Subscription: Advertisement vs Truth
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SithVeritas
04.29.2013 , 04:19 AM | #201
Quote: Originally Posted by Kesphin View Post
I don't understand why people absolutly want to pay when they could get it for free with their subscription. More, they give arguments : "I want to pay for this feature because..."

Seriously, do you work for Bioware? If not, maybe you should try to use your brain.
Blaine Christine said this in their livestream.

''As a subscriber, you can expect virtually no changes beyond the new stuff from the patches. You are getting addition of loyalty program where you get a monthly grant of cartel coins. Some new content we generate in the future maybe restricted to FTP players where subscribers are certainly able to easily get in there. ''

I'm going to hold them to that, that livestream is the only reason I decided to stick with SWTOR F2P, if they go back on their word I'm gone.

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Sharee
04.29.2013 , 04:31 AM | #202
If they promised i get something for free, and i can get it for cartel coins which i do get for free, that's good enough for me.

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DuckimusPrime
04.29.2013 , 04:33 AM | #203
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
Character creation options is hair style or eye color and stuff like that.. Not species.. And we never had full access to all the species to begin with.. We either had to pay credits for the ones we didn't have or level to 50 to get them.. We never got them for free.. I don't get what your issue is..
Species isn't a character creation option? Really?

http://www.swtor.com/free/features <- have you not visited this website before? Scroll down and check what it lists as the Character Creation restrictions for Preferred and Free, actually don't worry about it, I'll list them in case its too difficult for you. The character creation restrictions are the number of characters and limited to three species. Looks like Bioware's website specifically says that species is a character creation option.

Also what please tell me what species a subscriber currently has to pay for to select? Playing a species through to level 50, or paying cartel coins, removes the class restrictions on the species. It doesn't give access to the species.

Quote: Originally Posted by Icebergy View Post
You will have full access to it. You just might have to spend a few of those cartel coins that they have been giving you for free for months. I know I would love something to spend them on, I have almost 4k stocked up in my account.
Having to spend a few cartel coins is not maintaining the advertise feature for subscribers that they get access to "All Character Creation Options". If spending cartel coins counted as getting access then that wouldn't be a restriction for F2P players. After all they can access any race by spending a few cartel coins.

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SithVeritas
04.29.2013 , 04:42 AM | #204
Quote: Originally Posted by Sharee View Post
If they promised i get something for free, and i can get it for cartel coins which i do get for free, that's good enough for me.
You get your cartel coins for free? So you didn't pay 15 bucks for it and WZ and operations? The rest of the game everyone gets for free.

At this point the only thing we pay for is WZ access and operations, the rest are some visual things most can do without.

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DuckimusPrime
04.29.2013 , 04:46 AM | #205
Quote: Originally Posted by danielearley View Post
I see nothing in the link that says the Barber shop or Cathar race are free! No false advertising there!
Just because you failed to mouse over some options doesn't mean it isn't there. It specifically says that subscribers get full access to character creation options. And that the restrictions for character creation options are limited species choice and total number of characters.

With this they are removing the subscription benefit of access to all character creation options. It is the equivalent of making subscribers have to pay cartel coins to access more than one crew skill, while advertising that you still access to upto three.

Or having to spend cartel coins to access sprint at level 1, instead of level 15.

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Arlbo_Nabbins
04.29.2013 , 04:48 AM | #206
Quote: Originally Posted by Kesphin View Post
I don't understand why people absolutly want to pay when they could get it for free with their subscription. More, they give arguments : "I want to pay for this feature because..."

Seriously, do you work for Bioware? If not, maybe you should try to use your brain.
Silly argument. Of course people would like to get it free with their sub. We just understand that its reasonable (and normal for the industry) that we do have to pay and it is not false advertising if we have to.

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SithVeritas
04.29.2013 , 04:53 AM | #207
Quote: Originally Posted by Arlbo_Nabbins View Post
Silly argument. Of course people would like to get it free with their sub. We just understand that its reasonable (and normal for the industry) that we do have to pay and it is not false advertising if we have to.
See one post above you to see why it IS false advertising.

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danielearley
04.29.2013 , 05:24 AM | #208
Quote: Originally Posted by DuckimusPrime View Post
Just because you failed to mouse over some options doesn't mean it isn't there. It specifically says that subscribers get full access to character creation options. And that the restrictions for character creation options are limited species choice and total number of characters.

With this they are removing the subscription benefit of access to all character creation options. It is the equivalent of making subscribers have to pay cartel coins to access more than one crew skill, while advertising that you still access to upto three.

Or having to spend cartel coins to access sprint at level 1, instead of level 15.
I didn't fail to mouse over, I read. the details you mention.
At present the full choice of races for certain classes is restricted, unless you unlock them. hence the term Character Creation Choices. It does not state all races for every class....
As you are given CC to help you get things from the CM you don't have to pay anything!
Also the Crew Skills clearly state 3 Crew Skills and faster leveling, which is different from the wording on the Character creation. If you had to use CC to buy the third skill, yes that would be false advertising

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danielearley
04.29.2013 , 05:25 AM | #209
Quote: Originally Posted by SithVeritas View Post
See one post above you to see why it IS false advertising.
Actually it's not false advertising, just because you read it, doesn't make it true

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Kesphin
04.29.2013 , 05:50 AM | #210
As a subscriber, monthly CCs are supposed to be used to get cartel packs or armor sets, they are not meant to unlock content, species, WZ, or operations. Because what is next? Will I have to use my CCs to unlock next WZ (if it gets released someday)? Or next operation? You do know that when you give a hand they take the arm, do you?