Subscription: Advertisement vs Truth

Well, they'd still end up with complaints of "Why is this new race not on the class I want it to be on?!" buuut, at least it would have a free way for subs to put it on the other classes.

My thought is Trooper or Knight (and I make this suggestion btw with no intention of ever making a cathar, but then, I had no intention of ever making a Twi'lek, and I finally decided Twi'lek for my Trooper. )

If hardcore, only play Empire Side feel jilted...

1) oh well, get over it

2) can always make the next race Empire side

Yeah because subscribers have never had to pay for new classes and races. Oh wait, they are often added in expansions that subscribers need to pay for so if you don't pay you can't access the new race or class.

I love how there is no yellow post in here yet.

All of the 2.1 content needs to be free to subs, plain and simple.
If you have to pay for additional for anything then its a cartel market update not a game update and in that case I would assume that bioware is going to have many other goodies in 2.1 then just another cash shop.

BTW Cathar were announced before free to play was even a thing and were suppose to come out last year so really they should be free for subs.

I fail to see the issue there.. You could once by bank tabs with credits.. Now you can buy them with CC.. What is the difference??

There are a ton of things that you could once buy with credits that you can now buy with CC.. So they want to put the Cathar on the CM.. So what?? What difference does it make?? It isn't false advertisement...

You need to explain why a subscriber is entitled to a species for free, when we never were able to get one for free before.. You either had to buy the unlock or level to 50.. In either case it wasn't free..

I'll see your false analogies and non sequiturs and raise you a false equivalency.

The problem with the "subs get coins for free" argument is they are notfee--and to that end, neither are the vouchers in your analogy.

The dealer does not pay the cost of that $500. One of two things happen:

The more common scenario is the $500 is simply factored into the price of the car. You're really not getting the deal you think you are; you pay $20,000 for a car with an actual market value of $19500. They charge you the 20k because it's better for commission purposes (and looks better in the books), but they get creative in assuring your money's worth as to avoid fraud claims. Despite common belief, cars start to depreciate the second they come off the assembly line. So even a 2014 model with an MSRP of $20k that's been sitting in a lot for a while, really isn't worth that much.

The other thing that might happen is the voucher is paid for by third parties: i.e. the trim company, Valvoline/Pennzoil (for oil changes), that sort of thing. They do this as it's simply a form of advertising and is budgeted as such. Each time you get your oil changed, they put the mileage counter in your window, and you spend three months (or 3,000 miles ) staring at he big red Valvoline "V.".

It's no different with F2P games.

In SWTOR's case, you're paying for the coins. There is a predetermined allotment from your sub that covers the cost of those 500 coins. It's probably not $5, but it is there. So those coins really aren't "free."

Like the car depreciation, the market value for SWTOR went down the minute it turned F2P. I have no idea what the actual appropriate value for a F2P AAA MMO sub is, but it's not $15. EA chose to keep the sub price at $15 and use the difference to pay for the monthly coin stipend.

Similarity to the third-party example, other F2P companies (PWE is big on this.) choose to go the kick-back route. They use those pre-pay cards. The card companies give a kick back each time one of those cards is purchased. So you see "buy X Zen, get Y free" all the time, well the Y really isn't free. It's been paid for.

In any case, this argument that subers get "free" Cartel Coins is erroneous.

Oh wait, didnt we just pay for a new "expansion" a couple weeks ago? I assure you the cathar race was finished long ago and could have been packaged in but EAWare chose to wait and charge more.

Oh wait, didnt we just pay for a new "expansion" a couple weeks ago? I assure you the cathar race was finished long ago and could have been packaged in but EAWare chose to wait and charge more.

We did pay for an expansion, at 1/4 of the cost of most expansions. Are you saying that if the expansion had cost $15 and included the Cathar you wouldn't be complaining at all? The truth is that in the vast majority of MMOs new races have always been a paid update for subscribers. Let's not start pretending that paid content updates, ie expansions, don't exist in other MMOs. WoW had one "free" content updates in all of 2012 and this was after the expansion before which subs were treated to zero content updates at all for the first 8 months.

Also, stop making definitive statements like "Cathar was finished long ago" unless you actually have proof that this is the case. Showing one or two Cathar models in a trailer isn't the same thing as having everything finished, we have no idea what assignments the art team may have been placed on in the meantime that put Cathar on hold for a while. I haven't looked at the trailer in a while but it may even have been models that already existed in game and as we know there were a bunch of changes made to the race before release.