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For me, customization is content.

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JimG
04.27.2013 , 04:40 PM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by CelCawdro View Post
I'm seeing a lot of people throwing it out there that adding new avenues of customization isn't adding anything to the game. For me (and quite a few others I know, but I will not presume to speak for them), customization options are better than any other type of content that could ever be added to the game.
I'm looking forward to the update too. I consider it "content" for my purposes....but I don't consider it "content" in terms of what is supposed to automatically come with a sub.
Quote: Originally Posted by Alec_Fortescue View Post
It is important. It would be great if they didn't demand us to spend extra $ in order to enjoy new content. What are we paying the sub for? If they charge extra for it, it's a service. not content.
Quote: Originally Posted by Alec_Fortescue View Post
Of course it's a content. and if it's being released as part of the scheduled content updates then we, as subcsribers, should have full access to enjoy it without having to spend extra $.
You're paying for access to the game and playable content. They made it clear to everyone when they converted to F2P that cosmetic stuff would run through the Cartel Market. If you don't like that, then quit subbing. If you don't feel you're getting value for your sub, drop to preferred status. No one is forcing you to sub.
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthWoad View Post
Well it should have been in at launch anyway.
I dont think its really gonna "bring back" many subscribers. This game has already had a bad rep.
Oh yeah, everything should have been in at launch...because MMOs never update the game and add stuff, right? Changing character features or species is typically something that is not in a game at launch...as it really isn't needed at launch. The ability to customize characters has always been in the game....they are just adding the ability to go back and fix something about your character that you screwed up when you created your character. Not sure what game you are playing either....but this game has been on the way up in terms of number of players since they went F2P and they are cleaning up on the Cartel Market.

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Master-Nala
04.27.2013 , 04:48 PM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by Alec_Fortescue View Post
Aren't we paying for content updates with our subscription? .
No, what makes you think that? The Terms of Service is quite clear that you're paying for whatever it is they choose to include for free, and that you may have to pay for other aspects of the service.

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JimG
04.27.2013 , 04:55 PM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
Didn't save your montly FREE alotment of cartel coins I see.
Blew them on cartel packs did you?
That's what is funny. All these people claiming they are anti-Cartel Market should have plenty of coins saved up from their sub. That's why they give us the monthly allotment of coins, to use for stuff like this.

For anyone throwing a fit about using Coins to change their character look or the species because it's supposedly so vital to them, then I call BS because you would have just re-rolled a long, long time ago. There is no current character that "must" be turned to Cathar for RP purposes as you've been role-playing that character already and he/she isn't Cathar. It's not like it's going to cost a boatload of coins to change eye color or hairstyle. If you need to change every character creation option on your character, then obviously the character look isn't THAT important to you. The actual "need" to go back and change character creation options after the fact is very limited. It's not like people are going to need to make dozens and dozens of changes to their characters.

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LordArtemis
04.27.2013 , 05:13 PM | #64
I would concur that adding items to the market or items that cost coins, including customization is definitely content in my eyes.

I am of the opinion that this game came fairly close to completely tanking...and only F2P, the Market and a few wise reversals of silly arrogant stances since launch saved it's skin. Coin content generates revenue that appears, if one considers market additions content, to have a direct effect on further content creation.

More content has been created in the last few months than I have seen in the months before it.

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CelCawdro
04.27.2013 , 11:59 PM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
Didn't save your montly FREE alotment of cartel coins I see.

Blew them on cartel packs did you?
1. They're complimentary. Not an "allotment." Meaning they're given free, as a courtesy, without the expectation that they will be spent on pre-defined items. If they wish to alter the phrasing to allotment, so be it. Then the justification of adding voluminously to the Cartel Market because we're given an "allotment" as subscribers works.

2. You tend to use this line of reasoning quite a bit. You do realize that a monthly allotment would not allow a subscriber to make use of everything you apply this to, yes?

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theUndead
04.28.2013 , 01:10 AM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthWoad View Post
Well it should have been in at launch anyway.

I dont think its really gonna "bring back" many subscribers. This game has already had a bad rep.
And the purpose of your irrelevant opinion is? The OP is excited about customization and plenty of other people including myself are as well so if you don't have anything to contribute don't respond.
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DarthZak
04.28.2013 , 03:18 AM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by JimG View Post
That's what is funny. All these people claiming they are anti-Cartel Market should have plenty of coins saved up from their sub. That's why they give us the monthly allotment of coins, to use for stuff like this.

For anyone throwing a fit about using Coins to change their character look or the species because it's supposedly so vital to them, then I call BS because you would have just re-rolled a long, long time ago. There is no current character that "must" be turned to Cathar for RP purposes as you've been role-playing that character already and he/she isn't Cathar. It's not like it's going to cost a boatload of coins to change eye color or hairstyle. If you need to change every character creation option on your character, then obviously the character look isn't THAT important to you. The actual "need" to go back and change character creation options after the fact is very limited. It's not like people are going to need to make dozens and dozens of changes to their characters.
I have enough coins stacked for the Cathar and probably redo all my characters, whats your point?
And this isnt an allotment, if it was then they should state that in their KB instead of gift/reward. You might think wording are semantics but theyre not, they kinda legally binding in cases like these

As for the rerolling, I have had my main for more than a year now and I dont know about you but I feel like a new haircut after a year and Im not rerolling and relvl to 55 just because you say that its my own fault (which its not)
Turned to Cathar? Youre right, not needed for RP but rolling a new character for RP purposes also requires unlocking it with real cash

And for the "need" thing: you dont need 6 or 8 quickbars either so lets make it 4 for everyone. You dont need to run more than 2 Ops a week either so Imma go ahead and cap that for everyone as well. With Warzones you dont need more that 4 a day, you dont need to hide that ugly headpiece nor do you need to colourmatch so lets remove all of that as well... hmm seems like we already have that as Preferred \o/
So youre saying that people dont need things then why would they even have a subscriber model?
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branmakmuffin
04.28.2013 , 02:01 PM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthZak View Post
Races existed pre-F2P and Cathar was announced WAY before F2P. Haircuts have been requested since beta
So "announced" and "requested" = "in the game." Gotcha.

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Cant wait till they make something you think that should be included Cartel Coins only, I wonder if you'll have the same attitude if all new WZ's, FP's and Ops cost coins
Dude, there is nothing I want badly enough to spend CC on it, other than some convenience unlocks if I go back to being Preferred. Or, if RotHC were made available for CC, I'd use them to buy that. For subs,

I don't do WZs, FPs or Ops. If I wanted to do PvP, I wouldn't be playing TOR. If I wanted to run the same instanced quests over and over and over, I'd still be playing DDO.

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Andryah
04.28.2013 , 04:03 PM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by CelCawdro View Post
1. They're complimentary. Not an "allotment." Meaning they're given free, as a courtesy, without the expectation that they will be spent on pre-defined items. If they wish to alter the phrasing to allotment, so be it. Then the justification of adding voluminously to the Cartel Market because we're given an "allotment" as subscribers works.

2. You tend to use this line of reasoning quite a bit. You do realize that a monthly allotment would not allow a subscriber to make use of everything you apply this to, yes?
You are semantically parsing... I guess to pick a fight or something. /shrug.

They are a reward received when you purchase subscription time from them. Very much like reward programs that are so common in everything from credit card use to frequent flyer miles to sandwhich purchases at your local Subway. The more you buy.. the more reward you receive.

You receive a predetermined "allotment" (ie: quantity) for each month of subscription time you purchase. Note the use of the term allotment to represent a quantity. WHAT you spend them on is up to you as the customer. You can save them up for larger purchase on yet to be announce items... or spend them as fast as you gain them. It's up to you. Nothing in the CCM so far has been required by a subscriber to expand their content access (except for character unlocks) Some content is now coming that will. People who have saved coins for later use will have no issues accessing the new content in the CM without paying incremental dollars. So really.. only the people who cannot manage their CCs have a reason to complain, even though it is their own fault really.

Said reward is an incentive to encourage you to subscribe (purchase things with real money). It's an incentive because there is something to be gained by you in receiving them. If you see no incentive for you personally, that is a personal choice

Since I see you want to "word prosecute" me here in the forum of late... please do so in context.. I use the term "incentive reward" for the process of granting coins.. and I use the term "allotment" when speaking about quantity. My use of the term allotment was in reference to a "quantity" NOT a statement about the reward process itself.

As for the broader discussion... it is clear that some people simply do not like incentive based rewards in their MMOs. Well... they want free stuff... but they also want open buffet access as well....they want it ALL. They want an all you can eat approach to MMO play. I get that.. but the market is changing. Bioware did not invent the change.... it was invented by other companies. Bioware, being smart business people, are following the market and applying what works in the market (with a few of their own unique features here and there). The freemium business model is thriving and growing in the MMO space. People can chose to participate or not. What they cannot do is dictate business policy and business choices to a company. They can complain, they can even demand if they want... but it does not affect a business choice by the company when the company is following the momentum in the market.

All that aside... you and I agree that customization IS content.
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Soluss
04.28.2013 , 04:48 PM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by CelCawdro View Post
I'm seeing a lot of people throwing it out there that adding new avenues of customization isn't adding anything to the game. For me (and quite a few others I know, but I will not presume to speak for them), customization options are better than any other type of content that could ever be added to the game.

In my age, hardcore raiding five days a week is long behind me. As are 48-hour+ marathon sessions of PvP. I've experienced those types of content, had my fun with them, but I can nary derive any more enjoyment from them. For me, MMOs are simply a quest to create the perfect aesthetic character given a concept for that character. This often brings me into other parts of the game, but my goal is not to accumulate numbers but to refine a look.

It is just as farcical to state that 2.1 is without content as those threads from PvPers you see that decry PvE patches as adding "nothing" and vice versa. You will see a lot of veterans of the genre who have played out the now-tired tropes of the genre looking forward to these customization options, and I'm very glad to see that when I do. We are a group of players that are often overlooked because we engage with other facets of the game on a regular basis.

Customization is my endgame.
And I'm glad I'm finally getting a patch for me.
I agree, in the MMO world these are what I would call QOL features. I would also say the MMO has some depth. ToR is comming around and these are the type of features they should have been adding all along. However, charging people real cash for "barbershop", which is compeltely free in atleast 2 other AAA MMO's is where I think its wrong. "Barbershop" should be completely free to subs and the cathar should have been included in the "expansion".
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