Subscription: Advertisement vs Truth

Just a reminder.. We as subscibers have always had to purchase additional races that we didn't have.. What is the issue here?? You either had to level one to 50, or buy it.. This one is just to purchase on the CM.. So what?? 600CC big deal..

You get a monthly allotment of Cartel Coins.. Forgetting about that?? How exactly are you paying extra for anything??

I fail to see the issue there.. You could once by bank tabs with credits.. Now you can buy them with CC.. What is the difference??

But see.. The grant is also what makes it free for subscribers.. So his argument still fails on that front..

So you are claiming that a subscriber should get anything in the Cartel Market for free?? Seriously??

Look here, read what I posted and the link. "Full access to all Character Creation options.".

Sorry.. But that is irrelevant.. Why does that matter?? Again, subscribers get a monthly grant.. So the Cartel Market is covered..

By the way...I also think any long term success plan included free to play and a market, casual content galor from the get go.

This game was not Star Wars Galaxies as was indicated quite passionately by the community, and indirectly as well by the development staff. Perhaps not, but it did have to measure up to the level of casual content that that game had before it was shut down if they expected any kind of long term success.

Thankfully attrition eventually forced their hand. It's too bad they chose to stand firm to some of the silly choices they made prior to launch despite resounding feedback from testers, but better late then never.

F2P and the Market were always part of SWTOR's long term success. They just simply could not see that at launch. But you can bet they learned that lesson the hard way, and it is one lesson they will likely never forget.

I'mma jus go ahead an dismantle every single non-point argument in this thread starting with this one.



That is just plain wrong. We never had to pay for races beyond the legacy unlock if you chose that route, and even then it was in game credits.



This is an outlandishly ludicrous expectation. Almost no one saves their CC for these updates, and they should not have to as we are subs for a reason.



The difference is that I can still buy bank tabs with in game credits and have the additional option to do so with CC. This is not the case with the Space Thundercats.



No it is not free. I have to pay $15 dollars for a sub to even get it.



No he is not. Being that the "Barber shop" is a new FEATURE though, he is correct in his statement.



Therein lies your problem. It says character creation not character recreation. However, if the new items to the barber shop are not allowed to be acquired for free via making a whole new char then yes, that would be false advertising.



Again you are making a fallacious argument in that you assume every subscriber gets the same CC allotment each and every month. That is wrong making the point you tried to make, erroneous.

All in all this is an exceptionally slippery slope and I feel that BW is just testing the waters to see how much they can get away with before we bite. Saying things like "oh but you can just use the monthly CC grant for them," will escalate eventually to "oh you can use the monthly CC grant for X after 2 months." That's not cool with me and if that is how much my sub is valued I'm gonna have to bone on outta this money lynching festival.

If f2p was on the longterm plan from the get go, then they would not have brought it in so poorly as they did and would have better took pages from other free to play hybred models. EA was expecting this to be a WOW kiler or in numbers thus f2p was not even in the equation or as a back up plan till after launch...

This is an outlandishly ludicrous expectation. Almost no one saves their CC for these updates, and they should not have to as we are subs for a reason.

Yes, but it seems you missed my point. My point was that the game needed to be F2P and have a market before launch to be successful. The way the game was designed caused it to have little to no hope of any sustainability in the market...so it needed both systems to survive.

They were both added much later after massive subscription losses, losses that could have been avoided had they either completed the game prior to launch (perhaps not possible) or simply launched with F2P and the market in place.

I fail to see the issue there.. You could once by bank tabs with credits.. Now you can buy them with CC.. What is the difference??

There are a ton of things that you could once buy with credits that you can now buy with CC.. So they want to put the Cathar on the CM.. So what?? What difference does it make?? It isn't false advertisement...

You need to explain why a subscriber is entitled to a species for free, when we never were able to get one for free before.. You either had to buy the unlock or level to 50.. In either case it wasn't free..