Subscription: Advertisement vs Truth

Actually they made it quite clear that the coins given to subs are meant as gifts/loyalty rewards, they didnt mention anything about having to use them on new content. Its kinda like if I give you a voucher for your birthday and then force you to use it on something I wanna do, kinda stops being a gift then doesnt it?

Huh.. I never payed $50 for expansions, usually around $30. And I was ok with Makeb costing $10, its perfect value for money since most proper exp packs are about 3-4x as big.
What they could do is offer a discount to the people who bought RotHC, not only would it appease current subscribers but also might boost the RotHC sales

Your rhetoric of "No need to buy a whole expansion for a species" is kinda bad, its an MMO so nobody will say "Well I got this species but bugger the new content I got with it, I dont want that!"

Also saying that subs aquire it lower than nonsubs is very very wrong, we aquire it at the right price, nonsubs overpay quite a lot. This is a common marketing tactic

Euhm its already confirmed by BW that Cathar will be CM exclusive

Meh i do love SWTOR, when the cartel market came out i really liked it, it ofered a luxury that you didnt need and could use if you wanted it too. i really enjoyed the consumables and perks for the legacy.

But with everything comes balance..... there is always a point or a slipery slope that non should cross. Im not saying BW has crossed this line or do i mean to infer they did but below i want to point out an extreme example of what would be rediculous.

A person goes to a restaurant, at the door a sign says entrance fee $1.00. the person pays the bouncer $1.00.
he enters the restaurant and a person shows him a sign that reads.

seating $1.00
chair rental $1.00 per min
waitress rental $2.00 per min
chef fee $25.00 per min per meal
lighting charge $1.00 per min
heating fee $10.00 per meal
utensil fee $10.00
clean up fee $10.00
ink to print the bill .25
menue rental $1.00 per min.

you decide to agree with the terms
I'll order the steak
ok the waitress says.
the meal costs you $15.00
steak delivery to the restaurant $15.00
gas to have the steak delivered $8.00
grill clean up fee $8.00
spices and sauce to cook the steak $3.50
plate rental $2.50 per min.

this may sound extreme but where is the cut off point to rediculousness? when is entertainment turned into a bilking or hastle. where is the point that no company, entity, or org, should cross?

Right now i feel its fine, but it does seem that that slope seems to be dipping over time.

And unless you pay $0 for your sub, the included CC are not free. The only free CC I know of (and I'm not 100% sure about this) are the 100 per month you get with the sec key phone app.

Although I agree with your underlying assertions.

When it reaches your personal point of ridiculousness, you will quit. When it reaches mine, I will quit. I have other things I can spend my money and leisure time on should TOR fail to satisfy my entertainment desires. The free market works for some things (including computer games and yachts).

How so? Again, when that page was published, Cathar did not exist.

Again, nothing has been misrepresented. You know why they're charging for Cathar and that it's being added in after the fact.

This is all much ado about nothing.

Technically, no. We could always level them to 50 to unlock them for other classes.

Yeah.. they did. They specifically said that the monthly allowance of coins subs recieve would allow subscribers to buy new content released through the CCM without having to pay incremental $$ above subscription price for coins. And some subscribers have been pissing and moaning and predicting doom every since.

And by the way... that is an industry standard practice for freemium MMOs.. so let's not pretend like Bioware pissed in everyones Cheerios. It's part of how the business model incents people to subscribe rather then free-load. Anyone who accumulates and manages their monthly coin allowance even halfway intelligently will never pay a dime beyond their monthly sub. People who do not.. that's on them.

You are confusing the monthly allowance from your sub with the gift/loyalty payouts they made to players at the launch of F2P. The lump sum payouts at start of F2P WERE GIFTS/LOYALTY_REWARDS.

We paid extra for Makeb.

Bad argument. We just got a 10 dollar expansion. It should have been packaged with it. Im sure your arguement will be that WoW charges 50 bucks for their expansion with a new race but those expansions include a hella lot more then Makeb did. 1 race will not be the difference between 10 and 50 bucks.

So you are saying the Cathar race is content then? Guess that solves the other guys arguement that it isnt free because it isnt content.