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Tmanarl
04.27.2013 , 06:41 AM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by MisterMuse View Post
We never had to purchase races, playing a race from 1-50 unlocked that race for your entire legacy. There was always an option to actually play for it. With the Cather there is no such option.
We've also never gotten a completely new species either, so this is new territory. However I do see your point. There truly would be no way to unlock this species without paying for it. Personally I'll be utilizing my 600 CC grant for May to unlock the Cathar.
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MajikMyst
04.27.2013 , 06:44 AM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Tmanarl View Post
We've also never gotten a completely new species either, so this is new territory. However I do see your point. There truly would be no way to unlock this species without paying for it. Personally I'll be utilizing my 600 CC grant for May to unlock the Cathar.
But see.. The grant is also what makes it free for subscribers.. So his argument still fails on that front..
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Lasica
04.27.2013 , 06:49 AM | #13
Does the new species have any in game advantage over other races? No? Then it's a cosmetic difference at best. There is nothing wrong with selling cosmetic changes in the cartel store.

Now I won't buy it... but if it was a playable wookie race... well I might throw down some cash for that.

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MajikMyst
04.27.2013 , 06:53 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Lasica View Post
Does the new species have any in game advantage over other races? No? Then it's a cosmetic difference at best. There is nothing wrong with selling cosmetic changes in the cartel store.

Now I won't buy it... but if it was a playable wookie race... well I might throw down some cash for that.
It is just cosmetic.. This game doesn't have racial abilities in the sense that actually effect game play or stats.. I am curious as to what the Cathar racial will be.. Prolly just some other gizmo skill or cheer..
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MisterMuse
04.27.2013 , 06:54 AM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
I fail to see the issue there.. You could once by bank tabs with credits.. Now you can buy them with CC.. What is the difference??

There are a ton of things that you could once buy with credits that you can now buy with CC.. So they want to put the Cathar on the CM.. So what?? What difference does it make?? It isn't false advertisement...

You need to explain why a subscriber is entitled to a species for free, when we never were able to get one for free before.. You either had to buy the unlock or level to 50.. In either case it wasn't free..
Ofc its false advertisement, both their F2P vs Sub page and their video review stated that subscribers have full access to all features. That is obviously no longer the case.

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MajikMyst
04.27.2013 , 07:03 AM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by MisterMuse View Post
Ofc its false advertisement, both their F2P vs Sub page and their video review stated that subscribers have full access to all features. That is obviously no longer the case.
So you are claiming that a subscriber should get anything in the Cartel Market for free?? Seriously??

The Cartel Market is technically not a feature of the game.. If someone bought the game just to shop at the market, then they need to seek help for their shopping disorder..

You argument is pretty much baseless because of the definitions you are using.. Not to mention, a basic lack of accounting of the Cartel Coins that every subscriber gets every month.. Anything in the Cartel Market is not a feature.. The Cartel Market is not a feature.. We get those coins for free so anything we buy with them is also free..

Why are you not complaining about cargo hold tabs?? Or additional slots on the GTN?? Or all the packs and mounts?? Or all the gear and outfits?? Why are you not saying we should get those free??

Do you see the problem with your argument?? We get a monthly grant of coins.. That we can use however we want.. I am currently sitting on over 3k in coins at the moment.. My wife has over 5k.. I am not interested in the Cathar, but , my wife is.. She will most likely by the unlock the second she can.. Which will be free to her..

So I ask you?? How is that not what Bioware advertised.. My wife will get the Cathar for free.. I can get it for free as well.. By using our grant money.. Which you constantly ignore..
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Jeweledleah
04.27.2013 , 07:10 AM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
I fail to see the issue there.. You could once by bank tabs with credits.. Now you can buy them with CC.. What is the difference??

There are a ton of things that you could once buy with credits that you can now buy with CC.. So they want to put the Cathar on the CM.. So what?? What difference does it make?? It isn't false advertisement...

You need to explain why a subscriber is entitled to a species for free, when we never were able to get one for free before.. You either had to buy the unlock or level to 50.. In either case it wasn't free..
the difference is that you can STIll do all these things with in game credits. they are not CC exclusive.

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Trollokdamus
04.27.2013 , 07:12 AM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Lasica View Post
Does the new species have any in game advantage over other races? No? Then it's a cosmetic difference at best. There is nothing wrong with selling cosmetic changes in the cartel store.

Now I won't buy it... but if it was a playable wookie race... well I might throw down some cash for that.
There is indeed nothing wrong with selling cosmetic stuff for real money. Within reasonable bounds. But when you cross the line by making the cartel store the sole source of worthwhile cosmetic stuff, then it becomes wrong.

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MisterMuse
04.27.2013 , 07:14 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
So you are claiming that a subscriber should get anything in the Cartel Market for free?? Seriously??

The Cartel Market is technically not a feature of the game.. If someone bought the game just to shop at the market, then they need to seek help for their shopping disorder..

You argument is pretty much baseless because of the definitions you are using.. Anything in the Cartel Market is not a feature.. The Cartel Market is not a feature..

Why are you not complaining about cargo hold tabs?? Or additional slots on the GTN?? Or all the packs and mounts?? Or all the gear and outfits?? Why are you not saying we should get those free??

Do you see the problem with your argument?? We get a monthly grant of coins.. That we can use however we want.. I am currently sitting on over 3k in coins at the moment.. My wife has over 5k.. I am not interested in the Cathar, but , my wife is.. She will most likely by the unlock the second she can.. Which will be free to her..

So I ask you?? How is that not what Bioware advertised.. My wife will get the Cathar for free.. I can get it for free as well.. By using our grant money.. Which you constantly ignore..
Look here, read what I posted and the link. "Full access to all Character Creation options.". Thats the promise given when you read up on what you get as a subscriber. I don't care much about getting the packs for free, I don't care about the rest of the stuff there. Bioware/EA had gone out with a specific promise on what they give their subscribers, and now they break it, pure and simple. Change it and its fine but the very principle show that the company is willing to change their system. How long before the commendation cap can be increased with Cartel Coins, how long before you can get a fourth crew skill with a bit off CC. The Cathar race itself isn't important (to me) but the principle of the matter is.

And the monthly grant is just something we disagree on, those coins was always something given so that subs could explore options never promised to be available outside the market.

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Amaranth
04.27.2013 , 07:18 AM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by MisterMuse View Post
Ofc its false advertisement, both their F2P vs Sub page and their video review stated that subscribers have full access to all features. That is obviously no longer the case.
Since subscribers get 600 cartel coins for free every month (assuming you have a security key), and the cost of Cathar is 600 cartel coins, technically subscribers do get it for free, in the sense that they don't have to pay anything out of pocket for it. So your claim that it's false advertisement is tenuous at best. That said, it does come across as being a bit shady in my opinion; I'd rather they just give the unlock to every subscriber automatically.