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2.0.1 55 lvl wz bolster fixed or not?

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2.0.1 55 lvl wz bolster fixed or not?

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MidichIorian
04.24.2013 , 12:47 PM | #51
I don't get the whole wh/ewh entitlement claim. EWH/WH is 5 levels old gear when you ding 55, it shouldnt be viable, so enough with the whining about having to grind again. You've had two weeks to grind already and if you consider bolster to be such a problem I have to assume that you've actually played to experience this too. Didnt you get a single wz comm in those game? So use those on some new gear then and **** up about it already.

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Cerdo_hormiguero
04.24.2013 , 12:48 PM | #52
Quote: Originally Posted by MidichIorian View Post
I don't get the whole wh/ewh entitlement claim. EWH/WH is 5 levels old gear when you ding 55, it shouldnt be viable, so enough with the whining about having to grind again. You've had two weeks to grind already and if you consider bolster to be such a problem I have to assume that you've actually played to experience this too. Didnt you get a single wz comm in those game? So use those on some new gear then and **** up about it already.
The complain is that, at 55, PvE gear is superior for PvP than PvP gear.

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cripito
04.24.2013 , 12:55 PM | #53
Quote: Originally Posted by Cerdo_hormiguero View Post
The complain is that, at 55, PvE gear is superior for PvP than PvP gear.
^ that.

Bioware needs to get it.. bolster sucks... I wonder how many subscriptions they are willing to lose before they take it out

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MidichIorian
04.24.2013 , 12:55 PM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by Cerdo_hormiguero View Post
The complain is that, at 55, PvE gear is superior for PvP than PvP gear.
It's not superior in comparison to LVL 55 PVP GEAR. the idiots are comparing it to lvl 50 PvP gear, or former PvP gear, that's the problem. My full Partsian set is better than my 69 PvE set. It might be a close run against the 72 sets but honestly, how many people are rocking full 72´s.? And that' comparison isnt even using the best PvP set. Not to mention that they nerfed the expertise on lvl 55 end-game PvE gear today to widen the expertise gap that the superior stats on PvE gear otherwise could bridge.

So again, PvE gear is not better for PvP. Some of it might be bridging the expertise gap more than many of us would have wanted but it's not better.

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L-RANDLE
04.24.2013 , 12:55 PM | #55
Quote: Originally Posted by MidichIorian View Post
I don't get the whole wh/ewh entitlement claim. EWH/WH is 5 levels old gear when you ding 55, it shouldnt be viable, so enough with the whining about having to grind again. You've had two weeks to grind already and if you consider bolster to be such a problem I have to assume that you've actually played to experience this too. Didnt you get a single wz comm in those game? So use those on some new gear then and **** up about it already.
I have been at comm cap for a month now, but with the miserable state of this lolster thing, why should I even consider spending them if they are not providing anything meaningful? I mean I don't need an advantage, but there are not any "real" value in the comms, except for gear. The looks and the vanity options are better at the CM...
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cripito
04.24.2013 , 12:59 PM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by MidichIorian View Post
It's not superior in comparison to LVL 55 PVP GEAR. the idiots are comparing it to lvl 50 PvP gear, or former PvP gear, that's the problem. My full Partsian set is better than my 69 PvE set. It might be a close run against the 72 sets but honestly, how many people are rocking full 72´s.? And that' comparison isnt even using the best PvP set. Not to mention that they nerfed the expertise on lvl 55 end-game PvE gear today to widen the expertise gap that the superior stats on PvE gear could bridge.

So again, PvE gear is not better for PvP. Some of it might be bridging the expertise gap more than some of us would have wanted but it's not better.
No.. they are not...I did a very small change...I took away 1 conqueror relic out.. and put a EWH .. my xp went from 2018 to 1977 and my cunning went from 2711 to 2719 :P and my bonus dmg went up ... my crit stay exactly the same :P.. go figures.. I am almost full conqueror (yeap I don't have a life) and my friend in 66 gear have more main stats than me with a 1916 exp ... u still think is fixed?

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L-RANDLE
04.24.2013 , 01:03 PM | #57
Quote: Originally Posted by MidichIorian View Post
It's not superior in comparison to LVL 55 PVP GEAR. the idiots are comparing it to lvl 50 PvP gear, or former PvP gear, that's the problem. My full Partsian set is better than my 69 PvE set. It might be a close run against the 72 sets but honestly, how many people are rocking full 72´s.? And that' comparison isnt even using the best PvP set. Not to mention that they nerfed the expertise on lvl 55 end-game PvE gear today to widen the expertise gap that the superior stats on PvE gear could bridge.

So again, PvE gear is not better for PvP. Some of it might be bridging the expertise gap more than some of us would have wanted but it's not better.
So what do you do until you have a full set of Partisan and no 55 gear? As far as I can tell, you need 13 pieces before you can even talk about Partisan being "better" because the only reason it could be considered better is 2018EXP. I just think its unreasonable to have to "wait" till you get past the PvE (assuming the "old gear", not ARK/UW)bolster cap before it is clearly beneficial to wear PvP gear... That's all...
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islander
04.24.2013 , 01:03 PM | #58
Quote: Originally Posted by Cilas View Post
The issue they supposedly fixed was the bug with enhancements.

Technically, an item modification (mod) would including the armoring, mod, enhancement, augment, hilt, barrel, etc
Oh I know, I was just attempting to channel the thought process of Bioware, that's all.


Unrelated comment to all: It really blows my mind they can't make bolster work right for PvE gear.

It's clear they have long had set parameters for maximum PvE bolster (even if the number given by Hinkle was off a bit, which is totally possible and acceptable!) but ....I mean come on...how hard is it to make a full set of PvE gear a set value? This isn't an issue of them not knowing what they want to do, its an issue of bad coding/QA.
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MidichIorian
04.24.2013 , 01:06 PM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by cripito View Post
No.. they are not...I did a very small change...I took away 1 conqueror relic out.. and put a EWH .. my xp went from 2018 to 1977 and my cunning went from 2711 to 2719 :P and my bonus dmg went up ... my crit stay exactly the same :P.. go figures.. I am almost full conqueror (yeap I don't have a life) and my friend in 66 gear have more main stats than me with a 1916 exp ... u still think is fixed?
I don't see the problem here. You swap a proc relic for an auged relic with a static amount of stats and you cant comprehend how you're bonus damage is going up? What part of it is it that you don't understand? That's not a bolster problem, that's you having a problem with the new relics.

As for your friend, it has always been a balance. You could drop some PvP items too and get a higher main stat. I don't see how it's any different from what people did in 1.7 (power crystals instead of expertise, PvE armorings etc). You do realize that you lose damage/reduction/healing multiplier when dropping in expertise, right, so that the stats you add have to make up for that loss. I can gain 10 % bonus damage by putting on PvE gear but it's not of much use if my damage multiplier goes down from 60 % to 45 % because of the expertise drop.

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L-RANDLE
04.24.2013 , 01:24 PM | #60
Quote: Originally Posted by cripito View Post
No.. they are not...I did a very small change...I took away 1 conqueror relic out.. and put a EWH .. my xp went from 2018 to 1977 and my cunning went from 2711 to 2719 :P and my bonus dmg went up ... my crit stay exactly the same :P.. go figures.. I am almost full conqueror (yeap I don't have a life) and my friend in 66 gear have more main stats than me with a 1916 exp ... u still think is fixed?
Try this with something else like an earpiece or implant. You need to compare apples to apples (you can't with relics, which might be the only BiS PvP item anyway)and find out if the lower EXP translates into higher attack ratings according to the tooltip.
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