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RotHC // 2.0 : Healing - It's ridiculous.

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RotHC // 2.0 : Healing - It's ridiculous.

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NoTomorrow
04.24.2013 , 11:17 AM | #211
Quote: Originally Posted by Astarica View Post
A healaer cannot always hide behind a pillar because you're not going to b able to heal everyone from behind a pillar, so either you can kill the guys outside his LoS as if he didn't exist or at some point he has to come out. Take the south room in Novare Coast. If you hide along the walls (great LoS) then you also cannot possibly heal anyone inside the control room, and yet if you got nobody inside the control room it is very easy to cap it from a corner where none of your ranged DPS have any LoS to it (and if they do you'd have no LoS to those guys).

I get that some classes are better at killing healers but guess what, those classes are also locked down first if the other team knows what they're doing. I see this recurring theme of 'not my problem' where you just expect somebody else to do all the work for you. Some classes are never going to be a good solo node guard either, but that doesn't mean you just leave the node when nobody else is around.
Wonderful post with meaningful explanation and logical argumentation. Yes I can agree with you on these points. As a sniper, I will try to approach this problem from your point of view. There are certain moments when as a Sniper I am in position to force the healer to decide: whether to expose himself or let his friend die. The only problem is, he can pop in and out of LoS while throwing a few heals opportunistically. But I get your idea.

I will copy your post into my guide if you don't mind.
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MRSA
04.24.2013 , 11:34 AM | #212
Healers don't damage they heal. Healers should be able to heal for the same amount of dps a dps'er does damage. With the new changes I see healing on par with dps. Before it was worthless to be a healer and you didnt see but a very few. For those that are crying, it's not because healers are over powered. It's because now you have to play smart. I've had some dps who couldnt out play my heals and some who could. Its about team play and individuals bringing skill to the game. And personally I wish BIO would get rid of the WOW outdated expertise system totally. Bring us some world vs world and let us gear up stats. There are some good pvp ideas in newer games lets use them. There is a new game coming soon and its gona blow away SWTOR with new ideas thats already been proven in newer games so stop sitting on the bench and lets play.

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Astarica
04.24.2013 , 11:46 AM | #213
Quote: Originally Posted by NoTomorrow View Post
Wonderful post with meaningful explanation and logical argumentation. Yes I can agree with you on these points. As a sniper, I will try to approach this problem from your point of view. There are certain moments when as a Sniper I am in position to force the healer to decide: whether to expose himself or let his friend die. The only problem is, he can pop in and out of LoS while throwing a few heals opportunistically. But I get your idea.

I will copy your post into my guide if you don't mind.
Sure.

I think the overall problem is that there's a different strat to approach whether you're winning or losing. If you're winning, as a ranged DPS, if someone has to die, it might as well be a melee DPS and not you, because not counting Smashers, a ranged DPS that is left alone will do more damage than a melee DPS that's left alone, so if you're winning there's no reason to sacrifice yourself. It's perfectly fine to expect melee DPS to take one for the team in a game you're winning to protect the more vulnerable ranged DPS.

But sometime your team will be losing, and it's more like if that healer doesn't die everyone's going to eventually die on your team. It's just really frustrating when you get a healer down to 30% and then die, and the ranged DPS are still shooting at random guys the whole time. The only way I can do more damage to that healer is if corpse explosion is an ability in this game. I don't expect ranged DPS to always drop whatever they're doing to help on a healer, because doing so does compromise their ability to do damage, but if I got that healer down to 30%, I do expect anyone who can shoot at him to come help to get the job done.

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LovarBoy
04.24.2013 , 12:10 PM | #214
Stop talking about some private things regarding everything else but the topic...

Healers can easily use the LoS for their advantage - another reason it's going to be hard to kill them.

And you can use LoS everywhere. In every warzone. Maybe Voidstar is a bit tricky, but...

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Scotland
04.24.2013 , 12:49 PM | #215
Quote: Originally Posted by LovarBoy View Post
Stop talking about some private things regarding everything else but the topic...

Healers can easily use the LoS for their advantage - another reason it's going to be hard to kill them.

And you can use LoS everywhere. In every warzone. Maybe Voidstar is a bit tricky, but...
We should remove all los then?

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Scotland
04.24.2013 , 12:49 PM | #216
Quote: Originally Posted by NoTomorrow View Post
I was hoping you would consider impressing us all, TRE people, with your brilliant and masterfull play of whatever class you choose. Pity, such a talent loss for Red Eclipse...

Please consider playing on our sever more often, we could definetely learn something from you.
Been there, done that, made ND rage quit after my first day.

Cheers.

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Scotland
04.24.2013 , 12:50 PM | #217
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Cilas
04.24.2013 , 12:53 PM | #218
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DweezillKagemand
04.24.2013 , 12:56 PM | #219
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LovarBoy
04.24.2013 , 01:02 PM | #220
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We should remove all los then?
That's not what I said.

I just mentioned it's pretty easy to stay far far away from battle AND in danger hide or run out of LoS.