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Huttball Championships - Rebels vs Separatists

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Huttball Championships - Rebels vs Separatists

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tunewalker
04.22.2013 , 02:35 PM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by Mathemagica View Post
Yay, the next match!
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Dooku will engage either Luke or Kota and keep him busy (probably Luke, as I consider him the more dangerous one and yes, I believe these two are matched quite evenly and keep each other busy for a long time).
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RFvAeSJgjc

Luke fighting for real starts at 3:38 his father is toppled by shear power in under a minute Luke is only 20% more then vader and nearly double anakin. By this extent Vader would actually topple anakin in the same manner luke toppled him but instead of taking a minute it would take 30 seconds. By this extent any one anakin beat would be handled in an even faster manner By vader or Luke you have ALL comfirmed my belief EVERY SINGLE ONE of you greatly underestimates Luke's abilities dooku and ventress by extent of EXACT same tactics but power scaled means their is no and should never be a question of how the fight looks Luke topples them in under 10 seconds check the abilities and for once truelly understand the capabilities of the fighters this is the one case of Which A>B>C Logic works and it works at a truely grand lvl to show you just how much dooku or ventress vs Luke have no chance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmIkpRkgaZk

also any one who has read the novel knows the fight didnt truely start till 2:00 only then did anakin truely start fighting. so again Luke bests vader under a minute vader woudl best anakin in under a minute and anakin bests dooku in under a minute since Luke uses the same abilities as anakin just better luke bests dooku in under 10 seconds. please guys for once recognize Luke for what he is and get passed the flashyness of the prequals the clone war series and see for once what would truelly happen if Luke faced these people.

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Beniboybling
04.22.2013 , 03:11 PM | #42
Tunewalker makes a good point, Luke defeated Vader pretty handedly and pretty quickly. Nonetheless we must remember that he was fueled by the dark side, so it is not totally indicative of his feats.

Nonetheless given that Vader as Anakin managed to defeat Dooku and had clearly surpassed him, and had not yet reached the pinnacle of his skills in Djem So, Luke will likely defeat Dooku with relative ease. Nonetheless Dooku's form lends itself to economy and efficiency, he will not tire out and will likely be able to evade Luke's less refined yet powerful attacks.

And as soon as Dooku begins to lose, he will resort to Force lightning.

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Warren-Stride
04.22.2013 , 03:48 PM | #43
Ok people, let's get to the real reason Seps win this.

They're the bad guys.

Loyalty messes things up for heroes. Really, it's probably the one sure-fire fatal flaw that every "good guy" has. R2-D2 is loyal to Luke. Luke is loyal to R2-D2. Rahm is loyal to Starkiller. Starkiller is loyal to Rahm. Luke is loyal to Starkiller (founder of the Rebels). Luke is loyal to Rahm, as one of the last surviving Jedi. Etc.

If any one of these loyalties is tested, the heroes will choose to aide their fellows, rather than win. A Huttball match victory is not worth as much as saving their allies. If Luke has the ball, but R2-D2 is being racked by lightning and screaming? He'll drop everything to help his friend. Including the ball. Same goes for any of the other loyalties listed above.

Seps, on the other hand, will have no remorse about allowing their teammates to take one for the team while pushing on ahead to score. If Luke really does cut down Ventress? Who cares? Grievous has left them in the dust, and is about to score. Then Luke gives chase, but what's that? Starkiller being pounded by Durge? Luke gives up the chase to help his friend.

Because that's what good guys do.

Loyalty is a fatal flaw best left out of a Huttball match, and why the Seps will win.
~~ AiR ~~
What are you more afraid of?
A weapon that could destroy you?
Or a weapon that could turn you into a monster?

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Selenial
04.22.2013 , 05:11 PM | #44
Warren, the same argument could be said for the "Villains." If dooku sees ventress about to be slain by Marek, he wont try to save her at all if it even potentially endangers him...
Plus, lets remember, they respawn
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Warren-Stride
04.22.2013 , 05:23 PM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by Selenial View Post
Warren, the same argument could be said for the "Villains." If dooku sees ventress about to be slain by Marek, he wont try to save her at all if it even potentially endangers him...
Plus, lets remember, they respawn
Exactly. He won't help her, unless she has the ball, and thus is key to victory. He'll be more objective oriented. And every good Huttball team is objective oriented. They won't take the time to partake in useless fights. While they might die more, they'll also score more because they're dashing to the goal, not running around trying to make sure all their friends are okay.

And even if they respawn, they're still being hurt and dying each time. Good guys don't let good guys die.
~~ AiR ~~
What are you more afraid of?
A weapon that could destroy you?
Or a weapon that could turn you into a monster?

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Selenial
04.22.2013 , 06:59 PM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by Warren-Stride View Post
Exactly. He won't help her, unless she has the ball, and thus is key to victory. He'll be more objective oriented. And every good Huttball team is objective oriented. They won't take the time to partake in useless fights. While they might die more, they'll also score more because they're dashing to the goal, not running around trying to make sure all their friends are okay.

And even if they respawn, they're still being hurt and dying each time. Good guys don't let good guys die.
I highly doubt they're objective oriented, probably going for self glory and preservation than anything. Let alone personal vendettas.
The Mandalorian Wars were a series of massacres that masked another war, a war of conversion. Culminating in a final atrocity that no Jedi could walk away fromů save one.
Zarys Sorcerer Cathinka Seeliara Sage
Force In Balance - The Harbinger

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Warren-Stride
04.22.2013 , 07:21 PM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by Selenial View Post
I highly doubt they're objective oriented, probably going for self glory and preservation than anything. Let alone personal vendettas.
XD Alright, we'll have to meet in the middle on this, seeing as none of these characters would ever even consider playing Huttball. Much less would they care about winning.

But none of the Seps have any vendettas against the Rebels. Glory will motivate them to score and win.
~~ AiR ~~
What are you more afraid of?
A weapon that could destroy you?
Or a weapon that could turn you into a monster?

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ZahirS
04.22.2013 , 07:26 PM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by Warren-Stride View Post
XD Alright, we'll have to meet in the middle on this, seeing as none of these characters would ever even consider playing Huttball. Much less would they care about winning.

But none of the Seps have any vendettas against the Rebels. Glory will motivate them to score and win.
Didn't ya know, Good guys always win in the end

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Warren-Stride
04.22.2013 , 07:29 PM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by ZahirS View Post
Didn't ya know, Good guys always win in the end
They can lose the battle, but still win the war.
~~ AiR ~~
What are you more afraid of?
A weapon that could destroy you?
Or a weapon that could turn you into a monster?

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tunewalker
04.23.2013 , 12:57 AM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
Tunewalker makes a good point, Luke defeated Vader pretty handedly and pretty quickly. Nonetheless we must remember that he was fueled by the dark side, so it is not totally indicative of his feats.

Nonetheless given that Vader as Anakin managed to defeat Dooku and had clearly surpassed him, and had not yet reached the pinnacle of his skills in Djem So, Luke will likely defeat Dooku with relative ease. Nonetheless Dooku's form lends itself to economy and efficiency, he will not tire out and will likely be able to evade Luke's less refined yet powerful attacks.

And as soon as Dooku begins to lose, he will resort to Force lightning.
these are very good points except for one thing Dooku was using the same famed saber style and economic fighting style against Anakin who IS Darth Vader of whom Luke mirrored and even while using said style according to the book each blow from anakin shook Dooku to the bone. He couldnt get away and if he couldn't get away from Anakin he isn't getting away from some one who essentially anakin times 2. In fact if Anakins blows shook him to the bone Luke's blows will shatter him its why i have been saying a powerful blow from Luke will bring either ventress or Dooku to their knees ending any of their mobilty and nocking them completely prone and open with just a single blow. Not just because Djem So but because Mirror Djem So of Vader who IS Anakin just greater and Anakin was the one to topple both of these opponents with the same exact method that Vader himself had been toppled and the same exact method that Luke himself will use only with double the force speed and efficiency.

I will give you though that Luke was Fueled by the Dark side there but, I will argue that he didnt neccisarily need the dark side to defeat his father. Again from the information in the book and from carefully watching the scenes leading up to that Luke was not trying to fight his father at all in fact from 45 seconds into the video until the end there is not a single attack from Luke at all, after the first initial wave (which showed him dominating his father just as badly as when he was fueld by the dark side) Luke stopped attacking all together until the very end. He was not trying while his father was giving everything he had to defeat his son because Vader wanted to prove to his son (and to probably some extent himself) that the ONLY way that Luke would ever have enough power to defend those he cared about was to turn himself over to the darkside. Trying to tell his son that the only way to be strong enough to stop evil beings was to turn to evil and join him and Vader recognized that with out giving everything he had he could not show this to his son that with out giving it his all this lesson would not be taught. Not just that but if memory serves according to the book at around 1:30 in the video Vader was actually starting to get frustrated that defeating his son was this difficult that even though he was giving everything Luke still wasnt and yet Luke was matching him move for move not showing any signs of wear.

P.S I reread your post one more time and my question is did you mean Luke's less refined attacks as in less refined then Dooku's or less refined then Anakin's. I am assuming with my above post that you mean Dooku but if you do in fact mean Anakin then we have found the disconnect. Luke perfectly mirrored Vader's abilities his Djem So isnt less refined then Anakin's it is more refined. Takeing every strength the form and adding the mobility of Ataru, the foot work of makashi along with the multiple opponent and blaster opponent defenses of soresu and shien. This is the form Luke managed to copy from Vader this is the form he would use against Dooku. Luke's saber style is not less refined then anakin's its more refined it is Anakin's form taken to an entirely knew lvl one that vader created and his son perfectly mirrored.