2.0 Hardmode Flashpoints are not worth the payout.

Indeed you will.

Omg I love you .... I was gonna say all of that ... the new FPs actually require skill ... I LOVE IT ..... oh wait ... newbies are QQing ... I guess they will majorly nerf it now like Lost Island (original) .... sigh ... ppl make me sick.

The new 55 FPs, in 63/66 gear, are on a par with the old ones when they were first released and we were wearing 49/51 gear.

People have become used to face rolling the old FPs. Until the next tier of gear is released, and pugs are being run in 69/72 gear, they're going to require more skill, understanding of strategies, and more care to pull off.

You just can't derp your way through them, like you could with the L50 HM FPs.

Wrong, US english avoids learnt. Other versions of english use it.

the new hm fp hard ...mwahahahaha come on there freakin easy, learn the mechanics, use ccs, keep killing order etc

i hope real life is easy on you guys, theres no nerf button there

Firstly I didn't read all of the above, its just to damn long. But as for my 2 cents.

If you think the new HMs are too tough, or don't drop the proper gear, or cost way to much in repairs there is an explanation that is very simple.

1. If you expected to go from 50 to 55 in tioneese gear, and then get right into HMs your out of your mind. A highly skilled team of 4 couldn't accomplish that. You need to stop trying to short cut the game and work your way up. To compare, dread guard players could step right into HMs, learn the mechanics and then cruise through them picking up gear as they go.

2. If you have a Tank/Heals/DPS that dont know their rolls in the HM your going to have problems. ADDs can not be a legitimate reason for a wipe on a boss. Sure you might wipe once, then correct your mistake when you realize the adds come in at this time. Adjust accordingly. IF YOU ARE HAVING TROUBLE KILLING ADDS YOU NEED TO GEAR UP. The old OPS still drop gear worth getting if you were a fresh 50 or only partially geared 50 when the patch came out. Dont try to skip past the game to try to keep up with the highest geared players. You will miss out on the part of the game that is supposed to be fun, and the new OPS will be waiting for you when you get there.

3. If you are "reaching" and trying to do a HM that is out of your gear range it is going to be expensive. I am a Sorc Healer with half 69 gear and half augmented Rakata with replacement 61+ mods/enhancements. I RARELY, if ever, wipe playing with people my own gear level. Now we are a guild and work well together. But my point is wiping 3,4,5,6+ times in a single Hm will cost you more than you make for sure. Take a step back, Complete the OPS and HMs are geared for and build yourself up.

Everyone is on the fast track to top gear. If you dont have the gear, or the skills to makeup for it, TAKE A STEP BACK. Instead of crying about how it SHOULD be so that YOU can accomplish a HM.

If you want to question anything question crafting, and grade 9 drops. THEY ARE HAD BECAUSE THEY ARE MEANT TO BE HARD. Not everyone in the game should be running around fully augmented in 3 weeks. THATS THE POINT!

For everyone out there that isn't crying, excuse me. I had to get that out.

I've been hearing how hard these new level 55 HM FPs are so when I went in there with two friends I expected us to wipe. We all have gear that is modded with the makeb mods (58 mods) and quest green implants and earpieces from makeb. The 4th person in the group was a dps sniper with mostly 69 mods.

Anyway, we cleared HM athiss no problem, including the bonus boss. Now you could say that the dps guy was carrying us, however the three of us use damage meters so we can see how well the other guy performs. Long story short I was averaging 1550ish dps, tank was averaging 900 dps, and when the boss was dead, when you add up the total damage done by my friend and myself, the 4th dps guy was about midway in between myself and the tank. In other words, despite his vastly superior gear, he wasn't a very good player.

So long story short, if you know how to play your class, know how to interrupt, know how to cc, the new 55s are easy. If you don't, then I can see how they can be hard.

I find your comment about the boss difficulty bizarre and completely contrary to my own first experiences with the 55 HMs.

I've done 3 of the 4 new HMs as a tank, which I did not start queuing for until I was in mostly ilvl 66 gear. In all three of them (all but Hammer Station) my experience was pretty similar; relatively simple and low-damage bosses with very high-damage packs of trash between them. I feel far more threatened by the trash packs when a CC is broken (or simply not used at all) than I do any of the bosses I've fought so far, and this is with a fully random group (solo queue).

As far as the loot rewards, I agree somewhat, but mostly in regard to the bonus and final bosses dropping random loot instead of tokens. It's far too common to get drops that nobody can use because it is for a class that is present but a spec that isn't being played. I think if they are going to use randomized drops like this there should be one or two more opportunities for them to drop in each FP.

To my thinking, there are three key components to success in TOR:

1) Knowledge of self (know your class/role and how to do it well).
2) Knowledge of opponents (know the strategies and best ways to kill your opponents).
3) Gear of the oppropriate level.

You absolutely HAVE to have at least 2 of those components to succeed. If you have all 3, then it's a cake walk, but you can get by with just 2.

For now there are lots of people who are not wearing the new end-game purples (blackmarket+). So many people are short on gear. That means they'd have to know the fights and their role within it to succeed.

As a Bounty Hunter healer, I wasn't seeing any good drops from my first several 55 HMs. I was in mostly campaign gear. My gear was low-ish. I didn't know the fights, so I needed explanations. I didn't go online though; the group either explained the fights to me, or we learned it on the fly (through wiping). The only boss that gave me real grief was the bonus boss in Hammer station. That fight just was _not_ doable until I realized I could A) use Hydraulic Overrides (new skill for a merc) to get out of the stun and damage attacks, and B) stand with the tank and use Kolto missile for a Heal-over-Time (boss doesn't do conal attacks normally, and my Kolto missile now heals people standing in it, beyond the initial heal). So I just had to learn more about my own class, and a bit more about the boss, and it became easy, even with only campaign gear.

I'm now in mostly elite gear with some basic pieces, and the HM 55s and the story-mode 55 raids are indeed becoming cake-walks.

I realize this is OT, but I thought Hydraulic Overrides did not work on stun effects. Does the attack on the Hammer Station bonus boss count as a knockdown?