Operative/Scoundrel roll spam

Force Leap;

15 sec cooldown
Must leap to an opponent

Exfiltrate;

No cooldown
Any direction

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Not everyone wants to ONLY heal. Terrible argument.

Oh right, because being able to vanish isn't strong either. Should that fail, you can clicky-clicky and be out of LoS, most likely done while throwing down a stun. After that, you can keep jogging till the next speed boost or kolto station.
Rinse, wash, repeat.

Snare? Triage/Toxin Scan, which has no GCD and a 4.5 second reuse.

Yeah right. Might want to look at their scrapper/concealment tree and tell me where their mitigation is.

Want to make a case that only lethality/concealment should be able to go crazy with it? That might make some sense, since they are the softest target in the game.

I can kill a scoundrel/op in less then 5 seconds on my marauder and shadow (while being immune to all their attacks and CC).

If only they had an ability that completely screws over/counters "roll spam". Oh wait they DO, and it is on a class that had NO representation in ranked/competitive pvp. See Electro-net Merc/commando.

When I lead damage on my scoundrel/op? The entire battleground needs "training wheels", because I DOUBLE that output on my sniper, marauder and shadow.

Want to take away the roll or put a cooldown on it? Give me 25 percent mitigation out of stealth for 12 seconds (which I get on my infiltration shadow), 30 percent less damage from aoe (also get that) and mitigation/dmg talents which proc off my crits. Oh yeah and also make recuperate an instant heal (like shadow), and give me a 1.5 minute pvp trinket as opposed to 2, and my dodge should make me immune to CC as well.

Burst? It is the same on both classes, except the shadow/sin isn't tied to his opener, so yeah lower the cooldown on backblast as well to make it even.

The ONLY reason I still play my scoundrel is to make bad players rage with shotgun blasts to the head. My shadow will be geared first, because it is superior in every single way, except carrying a flag in huttball, and my shadow can do that pretty damn well...

I would also add that a op/scoundrel has 0 chance of beating a shadow/sin 1 v 1. If you lose that matchup? Delete your account.

So one class has stupid mitigation, higher burst out of stealth, is second best "speeder to nodes/capper", beats everything 1 v 1, and the other class gets a roll you want to take away.

Makes perfect sense. Logging in my scoundrel right now, and playing this song as my shotgun takes out all you crybabies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU_JBjLfXBo

Oh and in before some kid says "cloth armor? The shadow has a increased armor talent in infiltration, which puts them 2 percent behind a scoundrel/op A shadow specs into 6 percent mitigation from crits, and 2 all the time which puts them at 6 percent better then op/scoundrel BEFORE all the other mitigation (25 and 30, which is freakin 55 percent mitigation to aoe). Oh yeah that mitigation also blocks internal dmg.

If you even touch the roll for op/scoundrel? They better get all of the above and they can take shield probe and delete it, because it freakin sucks. Imagine the QQ then...

It takes 1/4 of their energy per roll and they have 1 ability for energy regen.


Guard/Jugg have aoe snare, Sent/Maur have a multi target snare, Scoundrel/Oper have a snare, Sniper/Gunslinger have an aoe snare, Merc/Comm have snare, vanguard/powertech have snare, shadow/assassin have snare, Sorc/Sage have snare.......... hmmm seems like ever single class has access to a snare.... hmmmmmmmm


Like other classes can. The fact that they may be the fastest is irrelevant, as one class must be the fastest... I'm guessing you play a sorc right about now.


Dirty Kick/Debilitate and Flash Bang(aoe) very endless


To bad the shield doesn't last as long as the GCD

I just thought I would correct your perception.

Horrible comparison. It only touches on two aspects of the skills, completing ignoring the downsides of Exfiltrate.


Leap:

Pros:

1. Generates Focus
2. Roots target
3. Can be use up to 30 meters away
4. Works vertically
5. Full effectiveness while slowed
6. Grants CC immunity (dependent on spec)

Cons:

1. Can only be used against enemies
2. Has cooldown
3. Can't be used on targets in cover
4. Can't be used while rooted

Scamper:
Pros:

1. Covers 12 meters of distance in any direction
2. No cooldown
3. Grants Defense bonus
4. Works in stealth
5. 50% chance to proc Dodge for 1 second (dependent on spec)
6. 50% chance to proc free Kolto Pack (dependent on spec)

Cons:

1. Large Energy Cost (25 standard. 21 spec)
2. Cannot be used while rooted
3. Half as effective while slowed
4. Cannot travel vertically

Seems mostly equal in terms of pros and cons. But different...because they are two very different abilities. But maybe this will put things in better perspective for you.