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Guide to Bioware Logic in PvP

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Guide to Bioware Logic in PvP

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itsluck
04.17.2013 , 10:46 AM | #11
Props to the OP, couldnt agree more.

Ill be 100% ok with bolster when they add it to pve, but otherwise how fair is that? if hardcore PvErs can now walk into a WZ with no pvp gear and get good buffs, then why cant hardcore Pvpers with no PvE gear go run some of the hardest ops and hms? im all for a more even pvp, but some sort of gap needs to exsist (again doesnt have to be huge) or there is no real gear grind. This gap doesnt need to be as big as EWH vs. recruit was and i hope it isnt, but again if the pvp gear barely helps, why grind it. For any PvErs that disagree, id love to see bolster added to hms or ops and see how much fun your gear grind and experiences are. Then come back and talk about bolster, we will see where you stand

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KettleBelll
04.17.2013 , 10:48 AM | #12
People weren't smart enough to even get Recruit, let alone put it on.


Bioware is just trying to help the stupid, help themselves, but not requiring them to have to take any action. Sad, but it's true.

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Ottoattack
04.17.2013 , 10:56 AM | #13
Do Everyone a favor and remove Bolster from Level 55 PvP.[/QUOTE]

I do, if they provide a new recruit gear. They also should make conqueror run at the same quality of underworld to remove the need for underworld gear in PvP. Just as it was for EWH and DG in 1.7.

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Ottoattack
04.17.2013 , 10:58 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by itsluck View Post
Props to the OP, couldnt agree more.

Ill be 100% ok with bolster when they add it to pve, but otherwise how fair is that? if hardcore PvErs can now walk into a WZ with no pvp gear and get good buffs, then why cant hardcore Pvpers with no PvE gear go run some of the hardest ops and hms? im all for a more even pvp, but some sort of gap needs to exsist (again doesnt have to be huge) or there is no real gear grind. This gap doesnt need to be as big as EWH vs. recruit was and i hope it isnt, but again if the pvp gear barely helps, why grind it. For any PvErs that disagree, id love to see bolster added to hms or ops and see how much fun your gear grind and experiences are. Then come back and talk about bolster, we will see where you stand
Forget hardest ops and FPS. Conqueror gear can barley get by in lvl 55 fps.

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Kirtastropohe
04.17.2013 , 11:08 AM | #15
Great Logic BW. I don't even play the game since 2.0 came out. I am so disgusted (not to mention confused) with what you did to pvp. I guess that's one way to fix the problem...drive everyone way.

Admit your mistake, put it back the way it was, and work on a realistic solution. Each failed cure you try kills the patient

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BoushhDC
04.17.2013 , 11:14 AM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Kenjigreat View Post
Im sure everyone has read the Dev's Tracker post on why they changed bolster, and honestly its a stupid move.

The idea was that Recruit Vs Elite Warhero had a huge gear gap , which is true.

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Now comes Bolster, the solution to all our problems.(SUPPOSEDLY)

Anyone on the Public test server when it first launched can tell you that Bolster was horrid with 900k HP sins running around and 600K sentinels smashing people . That issue has been resolved

But we run into 3 More Issues that overlap with one another.

1) Naked Bolster and 2) Enhancement-Removal Bolster and 3 )Supercharged PvE gear in Warzones.

1) Naked Bolster needs no introduction , Strip naked and you can get 2k Expertise FREE

2) Enhancement-Removal Bolster is basically Removing Enhancements from your gear to give you better stats through the bolster system.

3) And lastly Supercharged PvE gear which im sure alot of PvPers are angry about , which is the fact that Underworld gear would rape in PvP and even more so when paired with the removal of enhancements for extra stats and expertise.

And thats not the worst part , the worst part about the new bolster system is that it KILLS Gear progression in PvP and gives no incentive for PvPers to progress their gear.

What they needed to do was to fix that 1 problem which was people in Best in Slot PvP gear have way better gear than the people who are just starting out in PvP.

And the solution is simple. Every Partisan piece is slight worse than Conqueror Pieces . Just make another tier for FREE , Without Com/Credit cost and give it to EVERYONE and make it slightly worse than Partisan.

The real problem of Patch 1.7 was the when they removed Battlemaster from the equation instead of Recruit gear when they introduced Elite War Hero, they created a gap Resulting in

Elite War Hero(Veterans) > War Hero >>>> Recruit(Newbies)

when they should have thrown Recruit gear out the window and give everyone free Battlemaster and made it
Elite War Hero > War Hero > BattleMaster.

Do Everyone a favor and remove Bolster from Level 55 PvP.
Hear, hear.
All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved. --Sun Tzu

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sanchito
04.17.2013 , 11:23 AM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Kenjigreat View Post
And the solution is simple. Every Partisan piece is slight worse than Conqueror Pieces . Just make another tier for FREE , Without Com/Credit cost and give it to EVERYONE and make it slightly worse than Partisan..
They don't even have to hand out actual pieces, just bolster every non partisan or conqueror piece to exactly this level, be it underworld or questing green

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KeeperOfSajuuk
04.17.2013 , 11:35 AM | #18
The gap between bolstered greens, and the Partisan gear, is larger than you're QQing about. Have you played since 2.0.0b? Playing against someone in Part/Conq gear still gives a significant advantage in WZs. You're QQing because that advantage is smaller, but still huge, IMO.

And it isn't KILLING gear progression PvP, according to everyone. Just a vocal minority.
"...what an incomprehensible machine is man! Who can endure toil, famine, stripes, imprisonment & death itself in vindication of his own liberty, and the next moment ... inflict on his fellow men a bondage, one hour of which is fraught with more misery than ages of that which he rose in rebellion to oppose." -Thomas Jefferson

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sanchito
04.17.2013 , 11:37 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by KeeperOfSajuuk View Post
The gap between bolstered greens, and the Partisan gear, is larger than you're QQing about. Have you played since 2.0.0b? Playing against someone in Part/Conq gear still gives a significant advantage in WZs. You're QQing because that advantage is smaller, but still huge, IMO.

And it isn't KILLING PvP.
Yes but if you remove the enhancement from your bolstered green set that changes. If you then remove an augment from your bolstered green to check if it changes something you'll find it doesn't. So you put your augment back in and bam your in uber gear. This is what i am qqing about

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mrekxxx
04.17.2013 , 11:39 AM | #20
bolster is fine, live with it ...