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Guide to Bioware Logic in PvP

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Guide to Bioware Logic in PvP

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Kenjigreat
04.17.2013 , 08:05 AM | #1
Im sure everyone has read the Dev's Tracker post on why they changed bolster, and honestly its a stupid move.

The idea was that Recruit Vs Elite Warhero had a huge gear gap , which is true.

Recruit Stats are typically for a dps/healing

HP: 13-15k
Bonus Dmg: 300-400
Critical Chance (Buffed): 25%ish
Surge: 68%ish
Expertise: 1000+

and Elite Warhero Minmaxed for a typical dps/healing class

HP:18-20k
Bonus Dmg : 600-700+
Critical Chance (Buffed) : 28-35%
Surge : 76-80%
Expertise:1218+
This created 1 problem

A Recuited geared team vs a War Hero/ Elite War Hero Team => Dead Recruits.
Partially due to the fact that someone in recruit gear has less experience in PvP.



Now comes Bolster, the solution to all our problems.(SUPPOSEDLY)

Anyone on the Public test server when it first launched can tell you that Bolster was horrid with 900k HP sins running around and 600K sentinels smashing people . That issue has been resolved

But we run into 3 More Issues that overlap with one another.

1) Naked Bolster and 2) Enhancement-Removal Bolster and 3 )Supercharged PvE gear in Warzones.

1) Naked Bolster needs no introduction , Strip naked and you can get 2k Expertise FREE

2) Enhancement-Removal Bolster is basically Removing Enhancements from your gear to give you better stats through the bolster system.

3) And lastly Supercharged PvE gear which im sure alot of PvPers are angry about , which is the fact that Underworld gear would rape in PvP and even more so when paired with the removal of enhancements for extra stats and expertise.

And thats not the worst part , the worst part about the new bolster system is that it KILLS Gear progression in PvP and gives no incentive for PvPers to progress their gear.

What they needed to do was to fix that 1 problem which was people in Best in Slot PvP gear have way better gear than the people who are just starting out in PvP.

And the solution is simple. Every Partisan piece is slightly worse than Conqueror Pieces . Just make another tier for FREE , Without Com/Credit cost and give it to EVERYONE and make it slightly worse than Partisan.

The real problem of Patch 1.7 was the when they removed Battlemaster from the equation instead of Recruit gear when they introduced Elite War Hero, they created a gap Resulting in

Elite War Hero(Veterans) > War Hero >>>> Recruit(Newbies)

when they should have thrown Recruit gear out the window and give everyone free Battlemaster and made it
Elite War Hero > War Hero > BattleMaster.

Do Everyone a favor and remove Bolster from Level 55 PvP.

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Riggz
04.17.2013 , 08:22 AM | #2
Fantastic post

You hit all the points in a good manner and offered a good solution


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LarryRow
04.17.2013 , 08:50 AM | #3
Bolster is a fine idea. If you don't think so, it means you want to squash undergeared players like bugs instead of having competitive pvp.

Meanwhile, poorly implemented, buggy bolster is an unfortunate reality that Bioware is working to address, and threads like these take up space that could be better used by relevant feedback.

Can we please agree and move on?
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LadyVix
04.17.2013 , 08:59 AM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by LarryRow View Post
Bolster is a fine idea. If you don't think so, it means you want to squash undergeared players like bugs instead of having competitive pvp.
Bolster is a fine idea if it worked as intended. Unfortunately The mess we have is all due to horrible planning, testing and implementation. If they can't get it right, maybe it's time to roll back and tweak the old system until real solutions can be found.
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DarthBama
04.17.2013 , 09:01 AM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by LarryRow View Post
Bolster is a fine idea. If you don't think so, it means you want to squash undergeared players like bugs instead of having competitive pvp.

Meanwhile, poorly implemented, buggy bolster is an unfortunate reality that Bioware is working to address, and threads like these take up space that could be better used by relevant feedback.

Can we please agree and move on?
I don't want to squash under geared players like bugs. What I do want is for people to put some sort of effort into their gear. This ridiculous system right now allows for someone to search the Gtn for 200 credit items and enter PvP as a BiS geared player. Re-read that and think of how rediculous that is! The bolster needs to be some sort of quadratic equation that doesn't reward laziness, but allows a reasonably geared player to compete.

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cycao
04.17.2013 , 09:01 AM | #6
I say bring back champion and centurion gear and the old rng system that way every one can enjoy what hell really was like way back when.

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discbox
04.17.2013 , 09:04 AM | #7
They should throw the bolster system in the trash, where it belongs.

And start over. In 2.5 they should introduce a new system, well planed and tested, a system that does not punish PvP player using PvP gear.

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Xwinluke
04.17.2013 , 09:06 AM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by LarryRow View Post
Bolster is a fine idea. If you don't think so, it means you want to squash undergeared players like bugs instead of having competitive pvp.

Meanwhile, poorly implemented, buggy bolster is an unfortunate reality that Bioware is working to address, and threads like these take up space that could be better used by relevant feedback.

Can we please agree and move on?
This is just anouther f up by bioware. Bolster in lowbies is a great idea not at 55. I agree that they should have removed recruit gear and gave everyone a free set of battlemasters. It would have closed the gap difference. I was in battlemaster crushing elite warhero's so don't try and say that it would be an unfair gap. If you think your that undergeared with battlemaster vs. Elite wh then you need to learn how to play your class better and not say bioware is doing good because this set up is far from good. All this system does is give baddies a chance to not die in 3 seconds because they don't know how to use defensive cds
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Kenjigreat
04.17.2013 , 09:20 AM | #9
Honestly the problem about bolster is plain and simple , they are trying to make it "smart" when they don't know how to do it , the PTS and the current bugs are a fine example.

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TheronFett
04.17.2013 , 10:35 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by cycao View Post
I say bring back champion and centurion gear and the old rng system that way every one can enjoy what hell really was like way back when.
I agree. Bring back the tokens and bags that way we can have a HUGE gear gap again. That way when players "work hard" to get their new gear, they know what it's like to have RNG give you the same pieces you already have, 19 times in a row.

While the amount of misinformation and QQ regarding the new gear and Bolster system is reaching epic proportions, I think we can do better. Bring back the bags. I want to see my monitor actually dripping from all the tears.