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2.0 Hardmode Flashpoints are not worth the payout.

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2.0 Hardmode Flashpoints are not worth the payout.
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Khevar
04.16.2013 , 11:37 AM | #111
Quote: Originally Posted by Never_Hesitate View Post
Are you actually so ignorant?

The end boss and the bonus boss drop purple black market items, but every other boss drops blue lvl 53 items
How long has it been since you ran HM Directive 7 and said, "Ooh, Krel Thak just dropped a Columi Implant, now THAT'S an upgrade"

And how about Jindo Krey in False Emperor. That Tionese Mainhand totally didn't go straight to the vendor, right?

Remember when you killed Engineer Kels in Boarding Party and were thrilled at that Tionese Earpiece that dropped? No?

What do you expect to happen in these newer flashpoints? Every boss drop Black Market? That's just silly.

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Loknido
04.16.2013 , 11:47 AM | #112
Quote: Originally Posted by Irawratih View Post
So its been a week of doing these new hardmodes and without question they need to be fixed. The cost of repairs, time, and effort level vs the payout is beyond off scale. These are the current problems as i have seen so far. feel free to add what i may have missed.

1. Bosses drops BLUE gear really? And dont hold your breath but a whooping 2 elite tokens . what is the point. If i can craft the level of gear given is too low.

2. Boss difficulty levels are set too high, perhaps they were set for pts when we all had full gear but no one does now, for example the wookie in cademimu spawns so many death trolls so fast it is near impossible to beat. the heat beam in hammer station cause so many wipes everyone quit. Both times i got que no we did not make it past the first boss.

3. Repair cost are tooo high to make the 10k payout at the end worth anything. The last run caused 5 wipes at a cost of 23k per wipe. so to do this flashpoint and get 0 gear from it i spent over 100k in repairs.

4. The overall payout for the vs the cost of gear per tokens if the gear goes from 80-140 tokens per item the payout is just not worth the repair bills or time.

i love flashpoints but if they cause more stress then fun i do not see any reason to do them at all. Doing a raid has a far better payout with less cost in repairs.
If you're wiping 5 times and complaining about the 66 blue gear, get the 66 crafted gear then try again.
I jumped into these with pugs, i was mostly 61/63 tank with a few 66 purple mods that got from crafting. Wiped only once on my first run and it was because I tried to take on all bots in athiss (before first boss) instead of CC. If you're having a tough time take a second to mark CC targets or talk to your pugs on how to do a boss, it's not that hard really.
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04.16.2013 , 11:57 AM | #113
If someone's avoiding the level 55 HM flashpoints because of their loot per second played pay out, then I'm venturing a guess they've stayed clear of the Macrobinocular and Seeker Droid stuff too. If you're worried about your payout, then the last two Heroics on the Macrobinocular questline are definitely not for you either.

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bodhisattvasw
04.16.2013 , 12:16 PM | #114
61-66 tank?

LOL I tanked them easily with a 126 ranked, then it became noticebly easier at 136, now at 146 it's pure cakewalk, I rarely drop under half health and that's if the healer is asleep.

You can easily pug these hard modes these days.

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Jilisipone
04.16.2013 , 12:16 PM | #115
Quote: Originally Posted by Corpsemagi View Post
actually EVERY FP I have done drops purple. NOW, you may be talking if they drop the ear or implants, weapon and maybe offhand those are blue/orange drops, but I have been receiving purples on almost all kills in the FP. If you dont believe then look at the drop guides before calling people ignorant there buddy. READ!
You may want to slow your roll here before you dig the hole deeper. While I don't agree with the OP and that the current Level 55 Hard Modes are too difficult, they are correct in the fact that only the bonus boss and the end boss guarantee drop Black Market Purples. The other bosses drop orange moddable gear with blue mods (level 66) in them the majority of the time. It's a rare chance at a purple from them if I'm not mistaken.

If you are only seeing purple drops from all bosses and doing Hard Mode Flashpoints, then you are doing level 50 Hard Modes, which do in fact drop Black Hole purples from every boss.

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Primarch_PWnD
04.16.2013 , 12:35 PM | #116
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
THAT is a hypethetical that will not happen.

First... they are not that hard if you are geared properly and the team works the FP correctly. So most people will not quit over HM FPs.

Second... many people don't even work them and could care less... so they will never quit because of them.

As for rewards for running the content.. meh.. if you don't like it......do something else IMO. Some folks run content for more then just grabbing content for themselves. I'm not a fan of content being strictly a vending machine for gear.
So first you tell him that the game's population won't dry up because "no one cares about his issue", then you tell HIM to leave the game....if everyone that you, personally, have told to leave the game left, he'd be absolutely right there'd be no one left, and Bioware won't be thanking you. You do nothing productive, you insult everyone in every thread you post in.

Why can't you let people have any sort of opinion. Your posts amount to, "unless you think this game is perfect as-is then you should leave." There is absolutely no room for the feedback Bioware asks for with you stifling every thread with passive aggressive nonsense.

I agree with the OP. I shouldnt lose massive amounts of credits just for doing a FP I don't get anything out of.
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Soxbadger
04.16.2013 , 12:44 PM | #117
The problem is that both sides are likely correct.

If you are in a pug group that is incapable of completing the flashpoint, doesnt know what they are doing, needs on gear that isnt for them, the HM is probably not a great time investment, especially if you are a dps and the que is long.

On the other hand there are those who are in guilds with 20+ lvl 55, who already had characters with fully augmented gear. They have the ability to run these hm multiple times a day, learning the tricks pretty quickly and getting even better gear.

Just no great solution to keep everyone happy.

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MillionsKNives
04.16.2013 , 12:46 PM | #118
Quote: Originally Posted by Primarch_PWnD View Post
So first you tell him that the game's population won't dry up because "no one cares about his issue", then you tell HIM to leave the game....if everyone that you, personally, have told to leave the game left, he'd be absolutely right there'd be no one left, and Bioware won't be thanking you. You do nothing productive, you insult everyone in every thread you post in.

Why can't you let people have any sort of opinion. Your posts amount to, "unless you think this game is perfect as-is then you should leave." There is absolutely no room for the feedback Bioware asks for with you stifling every thread with passive aggressive nonsense.

I agree with the OP. I shouldnt lose massive amounts of credits just for doing a FP I don't get anything out of.
Andryah never told him to quit the game, just that if he doesn't think the flashpoints are worth it then don't run them. And is your comment any more productive than the one you're responding to? If you post on a public forum then expect people to reply and disagree with you. In one breath you deride Andryah for apparently not letting others share their opinions, and then go on to say that he shouldn't be giving his.

If you are losing "massive amounts of credits" doing these HM FPs then it's a L2P issue, for you or your group. They can be done easily in Black Hole+ gear.

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Khevar
04.16.2013 , 01:06 PM | #119
Quote: Originally Posted by Primarch_PWnD View Post
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I agree with the OP. I shouldnt lose massive amounts of credits just for doing a FP I don't get anything out of.
Here's what I don't understand: "don't get anything out of"

Are you in FULL Arkanian / Black Market? No? Then you're going to get something out of it. Even if you don't win a single drop, you still get Elite comms.

If you ARE in full Arkanian, and you're still wiping all the time, then you simply need to improve as a player, and coordinate better in the group. If you're wiping on HM 55 FPs, you're going to be wiping on HM 55 Ops as well. Getting better at one will help get better at the other.

The whole, "It's too hard" mentality really bugs me. A year ago, end-game was too hard for me too. This didn't drive me to the forums to whinge about it, it drove me to become a better player. Don't you get a sense of accomplishment when you figure out how to defeat X encounter that was previously difficult?

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Kaeg
04.16.2013 , 01:08 PM | #120
Quote: Originally Posted by Warrgames View Post
Very few times have my groups wiped on 55 HM. Are the people in group geared for HM? Is the group using CC? Do people in your group know the fights? Only time I saw a group wipe multiple times was When healer wasn't gear.

As far as gear drops. Would you be happy if the gear was epic and not blue?

I enjoy the HM being hard.
I don't mean any harm, but in Mandolarian Raiders, almost nothing is CC'able. So far I've paid 200k creds in repair bills trying to finish it twice with nothing dropping for me, and the final boss not going down. Also turrets in that place can easily three shot anyone in the group...ANYONE.
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