Why rise of the Hutt Cartel is a failure

There are roughly 1 billion people in the "Western World". If 500,000 subscribers is now "mass market", at 0.05% of the population per 500,000, then someone really needs to redefine what mass market means.

You still haven't read what I have written, I LIKE THE GAME! read, please, I wrote this up today, I have been playing it since early excess, so I have had a few days and this is my initial impression, so stop being a fanboy and read before coming out flaming, never did I say the game is bad, I even stated the title was just a way of grabbing people attention, but clearly you don't have the intelligence to actually read what was written.

I said in the original post, it was disappointing, I later said I don't think the game is bad or a failure, that was just a means to grab people attention, I do however feel it can be greatly improved.

Secondly, the decisions, in old bioware games the decisions you made ACTUALLY MADE A DIFFERENCE! Now, nothing changes, not even what the person you are talking to says. That hurts bioware... I mean wow... it is lazy, that is the only way I can put it.

I have played swtor since beta, and completed all content to date, including Scum and Villainy, I have 2 lvl 55, and 1 lvl 51 on its way to 55.

Finally, the missions and game play, nothing new came out at all with rise of the hutt cartel, the combat feel plain and uninteresting, and at some points just too easy. I was bored out of my mind grinding through Makeb, where the mobs felt like they were just put there to waste our time and slow down the grind to 55. And the missions are ALL THE SAME, go here and click this, maybe kill X many people.

Do you understand, that in you're original post, you're comparing a Single Player RPG to an MMO and that, right there, is where your entire argument falls apart. You're comparing apples to oranges.

Those weren't MMOs. Yeah, in a single player game (which has save points), you can have much more impact on the game due to choices. That's just not going to happen in a MMO and it's not realistic to expect that. If I defeat the Empire in my class storyline, are these supposed to delete the entire Empire from the game so no one can play that faction? lol. Also, you're exaggerating by saying "nothing changes". Your DS/LS points change. Your companion affection points change. You may get different quest options or loot. I specifically remember running the same Jedi Knight quest as a DS Jedi Guardian that I had run as a LS Jedi Sentinel and when I selected the DS option (greed), I was given an orange artifact quality crystal (and you don't find a lot of orange crystals in the game under level 20). You get emails from NPCs with credits/loot depending on what choice you make. Does it drastically alter the game? No. But to say that nothing changes is just plain false.

ROTHC hasn't even been officially launched for 48 hours (not counting early access time) and you've already leveled 2 characters to 55 and are working on a 3rd and did the end-game stuff. So how does this make it a failure? You thought it was such a failure that ROTHC is barely released and you're on round number 3? I love when people complain that game is boring or there is nothing to do but they play it 50 hours a week, lol.


So the Makeb missions, the GSI Dailies, the Macrobinoculars stuff and the Seeker Droid stuff are all exactly the same? Come on, you've just got no credibility when you say something like this. Nothing new came out? Did they have the Macrobinocular and Seeker Droid stuff in the game before? Guess I missed that somehow in 16 months of playtime. Every time someone makes the "every quest is kill X rats" claim (which isn't true at all), they never suggest how they would design a quest different. There's only so many things you can do with quests in a MMO - kill boss, kill X number of rats, click on objective, escort mission, puzzles, scavenger/treasure hunts (all of which are in this game), or some combination of those. Not sure what else you expect them to do with a quest?

Don't get me wrong, this is a very good game, but it could be a lot better.

I but look at GW2, the decisions you make actually change your personal story, without affecting the whole world, it changes the missions, that is something Bioware could do a lot better.

This is a MMO(RPG) this is still a role playing game, and as I have discussed, there are aspects of bioware games, that, in my opinion, they have poorly or not successfully implemented into this MMO, their story telling here, other than in a few cases, is not as strong as most of their single player games, that for me is a reasonable comparison, maybe I expect too much, but it is only because it is bioware.

Don't get me wrong, this is a very good game, but it could be a lot better.

I don't even know what you're talking about now. That's lke saying Avatar bombed because there's over 7 billion people in the world, the movie made $2.7 billion, and at an average ticket price of $15, with each person only allowed to see the movie once, then that would be 2.5% of the "mass market" has seen it. Thus, Avatar was not a blockbuster and it didn't attract a "mass audience".

The fact that you keep throwing terms around like "blockbuster", "mass market", and such as if your definitions are right, is very laughable and you're not doing anything with this thread except trying to troll-bomb it up. Please go back to complaining about the CM market and how this game is now Pay to Win.

No, it's not a fair comparison because MMO worlds can't reflect most of your choices w/out it affecting others. Kill a guy just to find out someone else killed him too - that's how it goes. Saved the planet from destruction? Guess what? Someone else is going to do the exact same thing too. That's how it goes.

So you can't sit there and they that their story-telling is worse in this game than the single player games they made because of [insert reason]. I told you why the stories cannot be on the same level - universe persistence. It's unfair to have your actions directly affect my lore and world w/out me being able to do anything about it. It's like complaining that if you didn't play the game for 6 months that in a single-player RPG you haven't missed anything, but in an MMO so many things have changed.

Stop comparing a single-player to an MMO and then reevaluate your complaint.