Why rise of the Hutt Cartel is a failure

Pretty much everything I want to say has been said already, the game has changed for the worse.
The story is weak, the gameplay is stale and they didn't fix any of the (in my eyes) important issues.

As I said with WAR's RvR pack: if the expansion makes it worse, it's time to quit.

Bye TOR, and good luck and have fun for the people who keep playing.

Or, you were bad and didn't know how to play. I pretty much only solo'd EQ. And WoW. Aion. EvE. Rift. TERA. GW. GW2. Secret World. Anarchy Online. List goes on.

Apparently your definition of successful MMO is something along the lines of 'whatever game I am not currently mad at'. Cause the MMO model has been pretty much the same forever.

Either way, I enjoy the heck out of the storylines & the fine points between being good, evil, effecient, cruel, so on and so forth. I don't have a problem with the ultimate outcome being ultimately the same...Sith Warrior's destiny is to be the Wrath, Jedi Warrior's is to face the Emperor's Voice, etc etc. The in between are the fun parts you get to decide how to do, but the endgame is set no matter what. I have no trouble getting my mind around the concept & enjoying it, dunno why it's hard for others, especially since no other MMO has ever allowed that kind of freedom, even if the freedom is ultimately just fluff.

Right I may have been too blunt with what I said, that's essentially what I was trying to get at, but still wanting to make it clear there ARE choices that slightly affect/change things in the story, minor as they may be instead of just "hurrrrr no choices affect anything"

Um actually your choices do matter, for example you can as a SW

You are giving an example as your basis for an argument... an example of a game that is a blip in the MMO world?

And, yes... it was faster for me to level in ToR in Makeb grouped than it was solo, but CosmicKat seems to suggest that leveling solo is so easy in ToR when it's not the MMO standard... so I'm looking for specific examples of how the MMO standard isn't to allow fairly easy leveling solo.

Not really, at level 50 when your'e doing FP's does that guy do anything for you now and do you see him anymore?

he's obviously part of the makeb storyline, why would he follow u in FPs ?You get to impact how the storyline events unfold, why would you expect anything more?

Every MMO before WoW favored group content. Every MMO since WoW favors solo content.

How many "classic" (in the sense of being profitable and long running) MMO's have launched since WoW and how many before? More importantly, the percentage of outright failures post-WoW is far higher than it was before.

I'm not saying solo content is bad or wrong. I'm just saying it's not in the best interests of the games or the genre to be solo-focused. Group focused games, by their very nature, hold the interest of players much longer than do solo ones.

My thoughts: Makeb's cutscenes and the world are beautiful, they've really improved there. I appreciate the "class moments' that are thrown in for flavor, it does NOT make up for not class story however. The sheer grindiness of the expansion, the oversaturation of mobs, the fact that there's 2 levels of content stretched across 5 levels and no matter what you do you will have to use dailies/flashpoints/warzones/space to supplement is just really weak design.

To those who like dailies and ops and warzones, kudos you'll probably get to be entertained for the next year and half. To those of us who are here for story, Makeb was like an appetizer. The cutscenes and world design prove they are capable of much more, what worries me is that it took so long for them to finish Makeb...and I have no idea why.

Anyway, I finished it in a day and half and now I'm going back to unsubbing. Good luck to those of you who have many months ahead of grinding basics, elite, and ultimate commendations.

Its like people saw it was for $10, and were told its on a planet called Makeb.
Some seemed to have assumed that it was going to be a years worth of content with lots of different planets