Why rise of the Hutt Cartel is a failure

It's an argument of semantics. Technically, you're right, but, in the big picture, CosmicKat is right. I have done False Emperor. I have defeated him and saved the Empire... why is he still on holocrons? That's a perfect example.

That's a totally deep point. While we're at it, why create unique models, or different classes, or anything at all? Let's all just break out the D6 play WH40K, that way if something sucks it's because you put it together wrong.

Or, you could not complain because choosing to be a smartarse vs. a nice person while accepting a quest did not, in fact, leave earth-shattering consequences on the endgame.

Why play MMOs? In the end you're still an average joe / jane, no matter how smexy your gear.

WE'RE ALL JUST DUST IN THE WIND!

Lol, what? I could do the same in Rift as well. And people could max level in EQ w/out needing to work with anyone. What game are you talking about where you cannot solo level from 1-50? So, please, when you talk about the MMO standard, please show the games where you cannot get to max level w/out someone else's help and we'll see how "standard" that is.

I was on your side for a little bit, but you really just like to make stuff up to win arguments, don't you?

Well for that they would have to be doing phases for everyone which would take a lot of time and coordinated effort, not to mention money which they probably don't have to do that, and I do agree with you, but I'm merely saying that those who try to argue that you don't make any changes to the story, you DO make changes, though they are minor, the story WILL always play out the same essentially minus small differences, but you DO alter the story as subtle as it is.

Sure, the missions change what other missions you take, but you can say the same thing here. Choosing a dark option to kill a guy may mean you don't have to do him a favor to get something he needs (the Jawa quest for Empire on Tatooine is a perfect example). So that's the same thing where choices you make change how you do your mission.

In the end, it's not really different because I could choose to do it two different ways, or not do that quest at all and my character will still be the same at level 50.

What I'm talking about would be something like Balmorra. For the Empire side, at the end of the story, I've won the battle and Balmorra is ours. But if I go back to the planet, now, there's still tons of fighting. What happened? We won? In fact, I could "save the planet", walk back outside the instance conversation area, and see all the fighting... what the...? That's what I'm talking about in the fact that very little I do makes any impact on the game. But that is the nature of MMO's. And I accept that.

The force is not strong with this thread.. Seriously...

I gotcha already. My point is your trying to completely invalidate CosmicKat's point by saying they cannot be right because obviously you do have some differences. I agree with you on that, but it doesn't change the fact that, basically, in the end, your decisions don't really matter. I could choose a completely different path and my character will still be exactly the same, doing exactly the same damage, with exactly the same companions, with exactly the same story-class titles.

Giving me options A, B, and C, are nice, but really I still end up at Z. It's like saying I have a choice of driving directions, but I'm still arriving at the same destination.

EQ must have changed a lot from its heyday because when I played it you had no hope of levelling past about 15th alone. Unless you were a druid, which was the ONLY class capable of soloing (via kiting) for at least the first 2 years of its existence.

The difference between TOR and every other successful solo-friendly MMO I have played is that TOR makes it easier, faster, and more convenient to play it solo, whereas every other MMO did the opposite.

This. The most effecient way to level back in the day was group content. You ever try Velkators Labyrinth alone?

Once again, you're over generalizing. I saw both my friends who who each played a warlock and a mage, respectively, they both leveled just find. They preferred to level solo because they thought it was faster to grind mobs solo.

Rift and WoW also level fairly fast. WoW is solo easy to solo level to max now and Rift (when I played it) was also very easy to solo level. In fact, the whole leveling process in MMO's has gotten faster as more and more casuals wanted it "now, not later". Please, name me these other MMO's that made it so difficult to level solo that you're basing on entire viewpoint on of "MMO standards".