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The BattleZone! Round 1 Match 04: Shaak Ti vs. Luminara Unduli

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The BattleZone! Round 1 Match 04: Shaak Ti vs. Luminara Unduli

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Wolfninjajedi
04.11.2013 , 07:39 PM | #51
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Look again: it says she's considered one of the finest duelists in the Order. I even bolded it.
Yes I know....being a fine duelist, doesn't make her an expert. Just that she has great skill with a blade, its stated as such that she is just well versed in saber combat, that isn't where her strength lies so it doesn't really matter that she needs to be an expert duelist.
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Kilikaa
04.11.2013 , 07:54 PM | #52
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Yes I know....being a fine duelist, doesn't make her an expert. Just that she has great skill with a blade, its stated as such that she is just well versed in saber combat, that isn't where her strength lies so it doesn't really matter that she needs to be an expert duelist.
Ti is an expert in saberr combat. She is well versed in ALL the forms, the exception being Vaapad. She is much better than you give her credit for. Her main forms are Makashi and Ataru. Plain and simple, she is one of the best duelists the Order had at that time.

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YoshiRaphElan
04.11.2013 , 07:56 PM | #53
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Yes I know....being a fine duelist, doesn't make her an expert. Just that she has great skill with a blade, its stated as such that she is just well versed in saber combat.
I will accept that, but if you're falling on the old Tartakovsky interpretation of Luminara's skills, you must look at the Tartakovsky depiction of Shaak Ti, as well. She singlehandedly took on a team of MagnaGuards using her own lightsaber and, later, one of their own electrostaffs, even using both the staff and saber in tandem. While this show does exaggerate skill, I think the relative abilities remain the same. Sure, Shaak Ti didn't hold out long against Grievous in the show...but would Luminara have?

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Wolfninjajedi
04.11.2013 , 08:00 PM | #54
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I will accept that, but if you're falling on the old Tartakovsky interpretation of Luminara's skills, you must look at the Tartakovsky depiction of Shaak Ti, as well. She singlehandedly took on a team of MagnaGuards using her own lightsaber and, later, one of their own electrostaffs, even using both the staff and saber in tandem. While this show does exaggerate skill, I think the relative abilities remain the same. Sure, Shaak Ti didn't hold out long against Grievous in the show...but would Luminara have?
I wasn't using Tartakovsky depictions at all. But no she wouldn't, Grevious was so stupidly OP in that show.
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YoshiRaphElan
04.11.2013 , 08:09 PM | #55
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I wasn't using Tartakovsky depictions at all. But no she wouldn't, Grevious was so stupidly OP in that show.
Well, what are you going by then? She only fought in one episode of TCW and very few of the comics (and in the comics she fought only a few droids and mercenaries). Shaak Ti in TCW, on the other hand, only fought two droids. Total. That's not a fair judge of power. If Shaak Ti fought Ventress she'd ROFL-stomp her, IMO, based on her skill in the TFU novel. And IMO, Luminara can't adapt. She's dogmatic, as evidenced when she treated Ahsoka as more a Temple-grade youngling than a somewhat battle-experienced Padawan. Ahsoka even fought Ventress before and gave Luminara advice, yet Luminara ignored her and went in as if she knew best. Whereas Shaak Ti was known to be intelligent and adaptable. (Also, and this is just speculation, but if Luminara hadn't been in ROTS and the show hadn't been so kid-friendly in Season 1, I think Ventress would have killed Luminara–again, assuming Luminara wasn't in ROTS–just to show Ventress as a threat). So in a drawn-out fight, Luminara would likely continue dogmatically on doing the same thing, while Shaak Ti would adapt to Luminara's strategy and take her down.

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Wolfninjajedi
04.11.2013 , 08:10 PM | #56
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Well, what are you going by then? She only fought in one episode of TCW and very few of the comics (and in the comics she fought only a few droids and mercenaries). Shaak Ti in TCW, on the other hand, only fought two droids. Total. That's not a fair judge of power. If Shaak Ti fought Ventress she'd ROFL-stomp her, IMO, based on her skill in the TFU novel. And IMO, Luminara can't adapt. She's dogmatic, as evidenced when she treated Ahsoka as more a Temple-grade youngling than a somewhat battle-experienced Padawan. Ahsoka even fought Ventress before and gave Luminara advice, yet Luminara ignored her and went in as if she knew best. Whereas Shaak Ti was known to be intelligent and adaptable. (Also, and this is just speculation, but if Luminara hadn't been in ROTS and the show hadn't been so kid-friendly in Season 1, I think Ventress would have killed Luminara–again, assuming Luminara wasn't in ROTS–just to show Ventress as a threat). So in a drawn-out fight, Luminara would likely continue dogmatically on doing the same thing, while Shaak Ti would adapt to Luminara's strategy and take her down.
As said in my 1st post, not having well knowledge on either of these characters so am just going by what is posted on the wiki. Never even said who I thought would win.
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YoshiRaphElan
04.11.2013 , 08:14 PM | #57
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As said in my 1st post, not having well knowledge on either of these characters so am just going by what is posted on the wiki. Never even said who I thought would win.
Oh, I know, I was just trying to gauge your reading on Luminara's abilities. I'm not trying to argue with you; I'm enjoying this debate. Just wondering.

Also, I am very surprised–as relatively obscure and unused as these two characters are, this is some seriously awesome debate going on.

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marcelo_sdk
04.11.2013 , 08:33 PM | #58
By wookieepedia and their reputation, the two are even, so we have to see what they done in battle.

Luminara was nearly killed by Asajj Ventress, a skilled Jar'Kai fighter, a powerful opponent no doubt.

Shaak Ti was nearly killed by Grievous, ok, but we know that his uncommon style gave trouble to almost all Jedi, including Kit Fisto, Ki-Adi-Mundi, Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker, all among the greates of the order at the time. And year later, obviously stronger and with a battleground that favored her greatly, needed to be pointed out. But his opponent was Galen Marek, the man who defeated Rahm Kota, Darth Vader and Darth Sidious, perhaps the most powerful Force-user of all times. That's just definitive for me to give the victory to the Togruta master.

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Wolfninjajedi
04.11.2013 , 08:39 PM | #59
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By wookieepedia and their reputation, the two are even, so we have to see what they done in battle.

Luminara was nearly killed by Asajj Ventress, a skilled Jar'Kai fighter, a powerful opponent no doubt.

Shaak Ti was nearly killed by Grievous, ok, but we know that his uncommon style gave trouble to almost all Jedi, including Kit Fisto, Ki-Adi-Mundi, Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker, all among the greates of the order at the time. And year later, obviously stronger and with a battleground that favored her greatly, needed to be pointed out. But his opponent was Galen Marek, the man who defeated Rahm Kota, Darth Vader and Darth Sidious, perhaps the most powerful Force-user of all times. That's just definitive for me to give the victory to the Togruta master.
HELL NO. Galen never beat Sidious, and he certainly isn't the most powerful or even one of the most powerful force users at all. His actual canon self, is really just a good force user nothing really poor but nothing really special either.
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marcelo_sdk
04.11.2013 , 08:46 PM | #60
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HELL NO. Galen never beat Sidious, and he certainly isn't the most powerful or even one of the most powerful force users at all. His actual canon self, is really just a good force user nothing really poor but nothing really special either.
How he did not beat Sidious? I don't understand that Sidiousmania that some people have. When Windu defeated him, he let him win to facilitate Anakin's fall (don't see the logic in that, but that's not the point). And with Marek, what's the excuse? You think he just kneel, so Marek could strike him down and join the Sith? The price of that would be his own life, do you think Palpatine would think like that?