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Could a system like Kinect revolutionize MMOs?

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Could a system like Kinect revolutionize MMOs?

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Uvirith
04.11.2013 , 05:07 AM | #41
Kinect, the perfect way to make every normal guy look like a complete idiot....
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Machine-Elf
04.11.2013 , 05:20 AM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by chimex View Post
I did, and I answered it. With voice recognition already in place to cater for disabled users, there is no need for a kinect style user interface. Also, the kinect style hinders disabled user more than it helps. There is much more movement involved for the kinect system to be a viable interface as well as facial expression recognition. How do you propose that feature could be made to cater for disabled people? What about people with speech impediments?

What you are suggesting hinders people with disabilities more than it helps, I have already explained that. There is already technologies to aid disabled people with the interfaces currently available. I have read your posts, understood them and answered them in a fashion befitting forum policy. I have given counter arguments to yours, posted links as well as sound reasoning.
No, what you've done is derail the discussion to a completely different topic. I'll try to be brief:

1.) Whether or not the system would cater to people with disabilities was never the point of the discussion.
2.) The success and popularity of any new technological application is completely unrelated to how accessible it is for disabled people.
3.) The voice-recognition software which operating systems have adopted is completely different from the in-game applications a system like Kinnect could potentially offer SWTOR.
4.) Facial recognition: follow the link in my post. It is now a popular and well-received feature of Everquest 2.

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Machine-Elf
04.11.2013 , 05:27 AM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by MoobooMagoo View Post
Not if you're mute.
Yes, then you're pretty much screwed. Should we get rid of Ventrilo then?

And if you're blind you can't really see what you're doing, so the keyboard/mouse thing doesn't really help. Plus why would you be playing the game in the first place, if you can't even see...right?

And if you're --

Oh, well. You get the point.

Ultimately, I'm pretty sure folks with major disabilities have better things to do (and more to be concerned with) than playing video-games anyway.

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Darth_Moonshadow
04.11.2013 , 05:28 AM | #44
No.

Motion control gaming just makes you look as stupid as people already assume you to be for buying a motion control system to play Star Wars. You remember that Star Wars Kid on Youtube?

Even HE would think you look stupid.

That is how bad motion control is. It's a crutch for developers who have no faith in their games.
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Machine-Elf
04.11.2013 , 05:29 AM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth_Moonshadow View Post
No.

Motion control gaming just makes you look as stupid as people already assume you to be for buying a motion control system to play Star Wars. You remember that Star Wars Kid on Youtube?

Even HE would think you look stupid.

That is how bad motion control is. It's a crutch for developers who have no faith in their games.
^ Didn't read the post. Still has an opinion.

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chimex
04.11.2013 , 05:32 AM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by Machine-Elf View Post
No, what you've done is derail the discussion to a completely different topic. I'll try to be brief:

1.) Whether or not the system would cater to people with disabilities was never the point of the discussion.
2.) The success and popularity of any new technological application is completely unrelated to how accessible it is for disabled people.
3.) The voice-recognition software which operating systems have adopted is completely different from the in-game applications a system like Kinnect would offer SWTOR.
4.) Facial recognition: follow the link in my post. It is now a popular and well-received feature of Everquest 2.
1) True it was not, but it's something that needs to be considered. "hey, look at our shiny new product. AAwww, YOU cant use it" is NOT going to go down well. The fact that you did not even think this as an issue at first goes to show that you did to really give your idea much consideration to begin with.

2) That is wrong. In fact, that's quite a disgusting statement to throw around. Most new technologies today do in fact try to make themselves adaptable for disabled users. In fact, you stated the use of Siri, yourself. Even in the early days of push button telephones, they found ways to adapt them for peoples needs.

3) Voice recognition can be used to set up the use of keyboard through short and simple commands. Yes, this has been known to work in gaming software too: here

4) What use would this have? How is it adaptable for people with different needs? Again, it comes down to accessibility and usability. The cost of implementing this and adapting it is huge compared to the benefits (and profit, because that's why companies push these products out!) it offers.

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Yes, then you're pretty much screwed. Should we get rid of Ventrilo then?
Again, there are tools to work around this, such as a keyboard. The purpose of vent is communication, which a text based system works as well. There is very little work around a motion sensor. You NEED to move with certain actions at certain speeds for motion sensor gaming.
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JPryde
04.11.2013 , 05:32 AM | #47
I seriously hope, that any system like Kinect will stay away from my favorite hobby for as long as I am still playing computer games.

I am now close to 42 years old and after a long day at work, I enjoy to sit down and relax... and have my character do the jumping, kicking, slashing, firing... I seriously do not want to have more action in it, especially no need to constantly wave or gesture into some camera, in order to have my character do things. When I look at the video in the OP, I see a total of less than 10 different moves, which are then repeated over and over again.

Do you really look forward to engaging in a fitness program, everytime, you just want to play a game ?

Kinect is a wonderful innovation. Fine. But merging a full scale MMO with Kinect-technology to me is like fitting a car with a toaster... I need both, I like both... but I am not using them at the same time.
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MoobooMagoo
04.11.2013 , 05:39 AM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by Machine-Elf View Post
Yes, then you're pretty much screwed. Should we get rid of Ventrilo then?

And if you're blind you can't really see what you're doing, so the keyboard/mouse thing doesn't really help. Plus why would you be playing the game in the first place, if you can't even see...right?

And if you're --

Oh, well. You get the point.

Ultimately, I'm pretty sure folks with major disabilities have better things to do (and more to be concerned with) than playing video-games anyway.
Well to be fair, that bit of my post was somewhat of a joke. I was 'kidding on the square' as Al Franken would put it. I blame myself for not using any emotes.

But seriously, you should watch the video that I linked. I am legitimately curious as to your thoughts after watching it.
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Turshek
04.11.2013 , 05:40 AM | #49
Change some MMOs ? it could. Revolutionze all the genre ? no, because Kinect is not a UI some people want to use.

Many players want a mind game, not doing sports in front of their computer nor waving their hands in front of the TV nor faking emotions to do emotes nor spending their time saying the names of the 30+ skills my characters have.


With the way you present things you are falling in one of the easy traps about design, ie thinking there's one best way to do things for everyone. People do things (including playing games) for different reasons and thus there's not only one answer but different ones for different people.

The thing is none of the characters I play are me, they aren't avatars of myself. I'm not interested in any way to have my characters mimicking my face movements nor do I want to have to find 30 names for my skills or use their in game names (btw I really doubt in term of speed that it's faster to say a skill name than hitting one of my keyboard keys).

Again I'm sure it might interest some people but unless you find a usefull use for everyone it won't revolutionize the genre.

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Darth_Moonshadow
04.11.2013 , 05:46 AM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by Machine-Elf View Post
^ Didn't read the post. Still has an opinion.
I read the post. My opinion stands.

You really need to get over this whole "If you disagree with me, you must not have read what I wrote" thing.
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