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Petition to EA/SWTOR -- please read and perhaps respond.

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Malastare
04.04.2013 , 01:04 PM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by ElvisLegShaker View Post
The .. same .. mechanic .. applies .. to makeb .. for early .. access ...
No... it... doesn't.

Ilum was unintended in that it allowed for Lvl 10 players to gain Lvl 50 XP in an area intended for Lvl 45+. They could level up from Lvl 10 to Lvl 50 in a very short period of time.

Stacking quests before Makeb will allow Lvl 50 players to gain Lvl 50 XP for completing Lvl 50 quests. They will level up from Lvl 50 to Lvl 51 (maybe) in a very short period of time.

How are they similar again?

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Callaron
04.04.2013 , 01:11 PM | #42
/shrug
If they want to race to 55 like that, all the more power to them - I know I won't be doing it.
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04.04.2013 , 01:13 PM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by wainot-keel View Post
We need more whining threads about how other people level their toons. Keep'em coming.
No doubt...I'm wondering if the OP has any suggestions on what we should be allowed to wear or what classes he feels we should be playing.
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ElvisLegShaker
04.04.2013 , 01:22 PM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by river_of_Gem View Post
I see you have some change to your tone, i am glad you have learned a lesson or two

However, if the lvl 50 daily give any exp, it's intended because otherwise what's the point ? If not, then you have nothing to cry about.

It's also fair that people get reward for their work, regardless of early access or not. If you don't have early access, a lot of us will be already level 55 when you get on Makeb anyway ( ) so you can just move on.

Anyway it's a lot different than in Ilum, for Ilum it's borderline power level and that's what Bioware don't want, this case is not.
wait what? what change to my tone? Not that I'm not glad you appreciate it =)

The thing is that the quests at level 50 give... nothing ... until early access. And I'm not crying about it. I'm really not. I'm just fighting this battle because of what they did to folks leveling on Ilum (I've got my 50's.. I took no part in that). And I honestly saw nothing wrong with the power leveling that took place -- more power to em.

They didn't lock lower levels from getting there, they didn't implement measures to prevent players from accessing the area... they locked everyone. EVEN the players who's level was appropriate. Level 48? Too bad.. we fked ya. Was that FAIR? Nope.

This is the SAME type... even though it's not to the same extent. No, the player can not do it everyday to get the same "jump" ... however.. it's in place that the player can get the INITIAL jump and gain an advantage over other players.

Surely if a player wasn't suppose to gain an advantage on Ilum at a level lower than 50 then a player can not gain an advantage over another starting at level 50.

I do not care either way .. I do think what they did to players regarding ilum was really fcked up .. but they did it. So, in that same manner.. they should prevent the level 50 25 quest turn in folks ... it's only fair.

Not that they will do anything about it. i did this more or less to show.. in the scheme of things.. they .. do .. not .. care.

however.. let me state once again for the slow ones ... I .. don't .. care ... go back and read from the start. just bringing it to light.
Just a FYI -- I will more than likely not respond back to the message this is attached to. Because, quite frankly, I said what I had to say and I really don't care beyond that. Have a nice day .. =)

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TUXs
04.04.2013 , 01:24 PM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by ElvisLegShaker View Post
however.. let me state once again for the slow ones ... I .. don't .. care ... go back and read from the start. just bringing it to light.
You should really change your sig again - the current one doesn't seem to suit you very well.
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chuixupu
04.04.2013 , 01:56 PM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by ElvisLegShaker View Post
I am saying (or rather repeating) things which were said in that debacle.

So .. playing the game "normally" as a level 50.. those quests give no XP... as it stands NOW.

Yet, hold onto them and with early access and some xp perks.............

Turning them in THEN is akin to disrupting your "normally" and getting "extra rewards for it".

Yet when people were leveling on Ilum.. there was a big to do about it, causing the devs to step in and say.. "uh... we're gonna fix it.. even though that fix means messing with legit players.. sorry".

Listen, I do not care if someone found a mob that could level them from 1 to 50 in a single fight. I really don't. I just think fair is fair. If they hampered Ilum leveling.. they should ensure the 25 quest/bonus xp doesnt give the same undue results to those with early access.

fair is fair. how is that hard to understand? .... if one actually reads it.
There won't be any bonus XP. The weekend will be over. It's just people turning in quests that they did the previous day. Everyone who starts up in ROtHC can do the same thing.

Ilum was a big to do because level 10s were never intended to be able to fight mobs in Ilum.
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Malastare
04.04.2013 , 01:59 PM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by ElvisLegShaker View Post
The thing is that the quests at level 50 give... nothing ... until early access.
Wrong. They give XP. But until Makeb is activated, your XP is capped at Lvl 50. Having those uncompleted quests is fully within the normal intended operation of the game. Stacking them is odd, but not an exploit, as you're using intended game mechanics in precisely the way they were designed.

Understand?

Quote: Originally Posted by ElvisLegShaker View Post
This is the SAME type... even though it's not to the same extent.
No, its not. The problem with Ilum was that the Bolster was applied to all players, not just players in the quest range. Instead of fixing the bolster code, they simply removed it. The "harm" done to Lvl 48 characters was minimal. Most 48's could play without the bolster. In PvP, a 48 isn't all that worse off from a 50 using Tionese gear. Both get worked over by players in PvP gear.

The Lvl 45s who lost out were already on the edge. Ilum was never really meant for Lvl 45s. It was really only playable in groups if you weren't Lvl48+.

Quote: Originally Posted by ElvisLegShaker View Post
however.. it's in place that the player can get the INITIAL jump and gain an advantage over other players.... Surely if a player wasn't suppose to gain an advantage on Ilum at a level lower than 50 then a player can not gain an advantage over another starting at level 50.
No. You've missed the entire point.

The Ilum exploit wasn't about gaining advantages. It didn't give anyone an advantage. The problem was that it was the knowing misuse of a game mechanic that was allowing low level players to skip content and bypass large amounts of the game. It's not about advantages, its about avoiding mechanics that are approaching a "Make Me 50" button.

There's a reason why MMO's make you work to reach higher levels. The Ilum exploit bypassed that. Stacking Level 50 quests does not. You do appropriate-level quests and get appropriate rewards for them.

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SWGEvictee
04.04.2013 , 01:59 PM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by ElvisLegShaker View Post
I would think that same math would apply to folks hoarding 25 level 50 quests to gain a level or so in a jump on others .. i am probably wrong that is why I am ASKING they respond now-- PRIOR to the 9th... to clarify.
Here is another flaw in your premise. People who do this are in no way getting an extra jump on anyone. All players with early access can start this way. All players who don't have early access can start this way. No one has an advantage because no one is incapable of saving the dailies to turn in later.

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ElvisLegShaker
04.04.2013 , 01:59 PM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by jgoldsack View Post
Power leveling is the term used to describe the process of leveling a character as rapidly as possible with the least amount of play time.

The Ilum event exposed a flaw with the system that people took advantage of, which Bioware stated they overlooked and fixed, which was bolster bolstering people below level 45 on ilum. Granted they fixed it poorly, but they fixed it.

Storing up quests to turn in on day 1 of EA/ROTHC (whichever you fall into) is not a bug, exploit, circumventing any system. It is simply turning in quests. It is no different than me forgetting to turn in a quest today, and instead I turn it in tomorrow. I don't get any less rewards for forgetting, not should someone be punished for doing it.

You claim to not care how someone levels are gets to 50/55... but you sure seem to like making a mountain over a non-existent molehill.
storing up 25 level 50 quests along with the xp boosts is the same thing as lowbies hitting ilum to gain levels as fast as possible (the EXACT same reason). the only reason i can find that you do not agree is that you are now doing this on your 50's.

Which I do not care.. I just think if they screwed the lowbies.. they should screw the 50s.

that's it. nothing more, nothing less.
Just a FYI -- I will more than likely not respond back to the message this is attached to. Because, quite frankly, I said what I had to say and I really don't care beyond that. Have a nice day .. =)

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Lord_Huxley
04.04.2013 , 02:02 PM | #50
Unintended was lower leveled characters getting XP on Ilum during the Gree event.

The new intention for 2.0 and on is that level 50 characters turn in missions to gain XP. I don't see a problem with them saving and turning them in right when 2.0 hits or not.

I thought about doing missions to save up for that morning but in doing that you burn your lockout on that mission right then. You could actually get more XP by picking up the mission after 2.0 goes live and completing it then. Sure some people may get a jump right out of the gate but it will even out.