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LarryRow
04.03.2013 , 09:58 AM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by AlexModny View Post
10-29, 30-54, 55 & 55 Ranked.

I've got a blog post coming up explaining in detail the reasoning behind these bracket changes for 2.0. Stay tuned!
I thought we already had a yellow post explaining the reason for the split at level 30. It said it was because that's when you unlock an important ability in your skill tree that gives you more of a solid rotation.

Quote: Originally Posted by AlexModny View Post
Yes. The new Bolster will be present in all Brackets.
I think a lot of us would really appreciate it if the blog contained details about how you balanced the effectiveness of the bolster system for people with bad gear against the incentives to obtain good gear. In other words, just how good is bolster, and how much better will a bolstered level 55 in the best gear be compared to a bolstered level 55 in entry-level gear?
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Coldin
04.03.2013 , 10:10 AM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by AlexModny View Post
Yes. The new Bolster will be present in all Brackets.
Did you fix Bolster so that wearing gear in PVP is still better than being naked in PVP? Or so being naked, then equipping gear once in the warzone is also not better than simply wearing the gear from the beginning?

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L-RANDLE
04.03.2013 , 10:14 AM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by LarryRow View Post
In other words, just how good is bolster, and how much better will a bolstered level 55 in the best gear be compared to a bolstered level 55 in entry-level gear?
I think the answer is, "You will find out on Tuesday".


Last I knew, besides the obvious Bolster exploit, the core mechanic at lvl 55 was not where it needed to be. BiS PvP gear will still be BiS.
Quote: Originally Posted by L-RANDLE View Post
Here you go Rob.
Im in legacy gear with lvl 33 purples or less.
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When I enter PVP, I get a 273EXP boost and AIM boost to 1289(+177) and END boost to 1210(+225)
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While this might be recruit level, the issue with 30-54 and 55 brackets is that the EXP boost on gear in the current system will severely outpace this bolster as the removal of the DR and the lack of gear upgrades until 55 will produce a large gear gap in the 30-54. The 55 bracket will suffer as well since the Partisan gear has more EXP and other stats than even elite WH does, let alone the Conqueror gear. I know eventually EWH will get to 55, but the intital shock might be too much for lower level or new entries to PVP to bare.

I am not sure how you solve this besides increasing the EXP boost. I understand you don't want to trivialize PVP gear, but if you are not geared in the current system, 2.0 could reintroduce some of the same gear issues we have now, where a fresh 50, without decent PVE gear, feels like a punching bag.


This is why I am hurrying to get WH gear for my VG, so my leveling from 40-55 isn't god awful..
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L-RANDLE
04.03.2013 , 10:16 AM | #24
Fr those wanting to know here was Rob's explaination a few weeks back....


Quote: Originally Posted by RobHinkle View Post
Valid feedback, and something we continue to debate internally. When we talk about separating the playing population by hard lines, there are always 2 main concerns that often compete directly against each other: A)Can the players inside that bracket reasonably compete against each other, and B)Are there enough players in the bracket to keep wait times reasonably small.

We have initially chosen 30 as our new break point because that is the level in which players start having complete combat rotations (often because they've gotten a really important ability from a skill tree) and our data of who actually queues into Warzones has shown that we've got a good pool on each side of that break. We continue to analyze who is playing, however, so certainly if we ever feel like a particular PvP bracket is being starved we should make changes to it. Unfortunately, that's what we believe would happen with a 50 - 54 bracket. It might be populated initially, but would quickly become empty as players hit 55 and for everyone following the initial surge of levelers there would significantly increased wait times to get into PvP.

A number of players are concerned, reasonably I think, about the power differential between a fresh level 30 player and a current 50 player in augmented EWH gear being inside the same bracket. Our new bolster system should make those players reasonably competitive statistically, both with compensation for the lower items as well as some compensation for having fewer skill points/abilities (if you are lower level). Once we get this bolster bug fixed up, everyone should be able to see the kind of stats you are getting from the bolster and should give everyone a better basis for discussion.
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Tommot
04.03.2013 , 10:31 AM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by AlexModny View Post
Yes. The new Bolster will be present in all Brackets.
Curious. How does this bolster work for 50-54 players who have a lot of expertise? Is everyone boosted to the same expertise levels (nullifying the stat)? Or does having PvP gear provide some sort of benefit?
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L-RANDLE
04.03.2013 , 10:39 AM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by Tommot View Post
Curious. How does this bolster work for 50-54 players who have a lot of expertise? Is everyone boosted to the same expertise levels (nullifying the stat)? Or does having PvP gear provide some sort of benefit?
That is the same question I asked Rob when they posted the proposed 2.0 build. I was concerned that geared 50's in the current system would ROFLSTOMP players without the gear and/or level. And judging by the experience points required to get to level 55, geared 50's will be in que for quite some time.


I am not sure if it was addressed after I posted my PTS findings, so I am seeing the single light and the ground shaking... So, I am buying some WH gear for some of my low levels as an insurance policy...
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Technohic
04.03.2013 , 11:00 AM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by L-RANDLE View Post
That is the same question I asked Rob when they posted the proposed 2.0 build. I was concerned that geared 50's in the current system would ROFLSTOMP players without the gear and/or level. And judging by the experience points required to get to level 55, geared 50's will be in que for quite some time.


I am not sure if it was addressed after I posted my PTS findings, so I am seeing the single light and the ground shaking... So, I am buying some WH gear for some of my low levels as an insurance policy...
Hmm. Well, my sniper has WH, so I will start with him I guess, then I will legacy ship the mods to my Gunslinger when done. Hey. That would probably work out for my scoundrel as well.
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stephenalandavie
04.03.2013 , 11:32 AM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by AlexModny View Post
Yes. The new Bolster will be present in all Brackets.
Ok so the bolster will be present that is good to know, How will it effect those who gear up or min/max?, Because Doing it Naked is just as effective in its current state. Can we please have some clarification on this as their is a lot of confusion.

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HoloTweed
04.03.2013 , 11:59 AM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by KhalDrogoe View Post
30-54 bracket is going to be brutal. A very small part of me wants to just sit in that bracket and dominate.

Are F2P'ers going to be stuck at 50?
Or, with the new Bolster system, be DOMINATED.

The days of Gear-based Dominance over Fresh 50's is a thing of the past, and thankfully so! It should never have been that way.

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stephenalandavie
04.03.2013 , 12:05 PM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by HoloTweed View Post
Or, with the new Bolster system, be DOMINATED.

The days of Gear-based Dominance over Fresh 50's is a thing of the past, and thankfully so! It should never have been that way.
such a daft comment really, Its not like we get plenty of credits or xp to sit on the fleet and do warzones is there. There is no incentive whatsoever apart from when playing with friends or in rated and as that stands its not viable