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_DarkTemplar_
04.03.2013 , 08:45 AM | #11
Ok guys. Thanks for the anwers. That was pretty quick btw

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EricMusco
04.03.2013 , 09:16 AM | #12 This is the last staff post in this thread.  
I was going to shoot in and answer _DarkTemplar_'s question but you folks went ahead and did that already. I am going to just quote bbare on this one as they explained it quite nicely

Good work everyone, carry on!

-eric

Quote: Originally Posted by bbare View Post
People who get the early access will be able to lvl to 55 on the 9th. People who didn't will have to wait until the 14th. I'll explain it as best as I can:

There are two "updates" that are associated with 2.0

1. The game update

2. The expansion pack.

The game update will include the new skills, skill trees, stat formulas, crafting tier, etc...

The expansion pack includes the additional 5 levels and access to Makeb. By De Facto, it will also include the new operations, HM FP's, and dailies, because those require a higher level.

If you pre-ordered on time, you will have access to both the game update and the expansion pack on the 9th. If you pre-ordered "late" you will have access to the game update on the 9th, but you won't have access to the expansion till the 14th. If you aren't even purchasing the expansion, you will have access to the game update on the 9th, but not the expansion pack until you buy it.
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tman_ac
04.03.2013 , 09:36 AM | #13
Just out of curiosity, what happens to guys who will never buy the expansion? Why are they forced to use the new skill trees? Basically, you are doomed if you don't have the 5 extra points to spend on the new skill trees.

In the end this means classes are not balanced anymore for the hardest lvl 50 PvE content (speaking of EC nightmare). Any Devs thought about that? I mean, I am not affected cause I have early access. But still I am interested to hear an answer on this matter.
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SNCommand
04.03.2013 , 09:38 AM | #14
To be fair, not getting a lvl update expansion in a MMO is kinda like shooting yourself in the foot already
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tman_ac
04.03.2013 , 09:45 AM | #15
But do you think it's fair that a Game Developer (in this case BW) is leaving people behind who initially payed for the game and balanced combat trees up to 50?

I am just thinking as well about the f2p accounts. They have to face this changes and will most likely never be able to clear EC nightmare on level 50...
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MillionsKNives
04.03.2013 , 09:54 AM | #16
You can't rebalance the trees and leave everyone who didn't buy the expansion with the old trees. Especially for PVP, having two separately balanced trees is a bad idea.

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Malastare
04.03.2013 , 09:57 AM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by tman_ac View Post
I am just thinking as well about the f2p accounts. They have to face this changes and will most likely never be able to clear EC nightmare on level 50...
F2P players can still play the expansion (and extra levels). They just have to buy it. Remember, F2P means "no subscription fees" not "everything for free".

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tanerb
04.03.2013 , 10:00 AM | #18
As a new player, what is this expansion bringing for me? (other than the holostatue thing which i don't know what it does). Feels like I do not have to rush buying it. Any insights?

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Jilisipone
04.03.2013 , 10:07 AM | #19
The question of whether its "fair" or not really depends on your definition of fair in this case.

Ultimately even those people who remain at 50 will still have access to the top tier talents in their chosen tree....they will just have 5 less points to spend in an alternate tree (5 "extra" points instead of 10 like current).

The talent trees should be balanced on their own merits and any extra points through into another tree really just provides a little extra, but isn't a MUST HAVE. The current level 50 content is tuned lightly enough that even someone staying level 50 should be able to complete it without issue even if they are 1% less "effecive" after the 2.0 changes. Even NiM operations currently have enough "slack" in them that you can complete them with sub-optimal min/maxing of gear mods (I.E Tanks using Black Hole/Campaign armorings with Accuracy bonuses).

However, if past experience in other MMOs after an xpac holds true, the increases gained from another 1 or 2 tiers of a primary talent tree generally provide a larger boost than what you loose by not being able to put those 5 points into a secondary tree. So in the end a level 50 post 2.0 may actually end up being "stronger" than a level 50 pre-patch is.

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DJGeeky
04.03.2013 , 10:09 AM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by tanerb View Post
As a new player, what is this expansion bringing for me? (other than the holostatue thing which i don't know what it does). Feels like I do not have to rush buying it. Any insights?
The expansion portion will bring a new area to fquest, new ops, ITEMS, armor, access to leveling to 55.

Not purchasing the xpac will simply keep you at level 50 and the limitations that being level 50 brings, as well as not having access to those zones and any content that is intended for 50+ characters.