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Has the Empire lost the war? Totally?

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Has the Empire lost the war? Totally?

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Hirilonde
04.01.2013 , 10:51 PM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by lokdron View Post
Just wait until makeb comes out trust me empire players will be satisfied.
I hope so.

But as for is the Empire losing? It's the ebb and flow of war.

When the war started, the Republic was NOT in a good place. Coruscant was still in pieces, with whole sectors on the verge of being abandoned or seceding outright. Separatist movements were erupting all over the galaxy, even on stalwart Republic worlds like Ord Mantel. Alderraan had withdrawn from the Republic, and fallen to a tyrant, who was a former Republic war hero. The Republic was desperately focusing on Taris because they needed a victory, even if it was a 300 year late symbolic one.

The Empire, on the other hand, was consolidating power, playing games with the Republic, and trying to goad them back into a war they were unprepared for. They held Balmorra, they were courting the Hutts, things were going their way.

In the beginning, the Empire came out strong. Corellia fell (Well before the players get there). The Hutts stuck to their neutrality, but that was alright. Balmorra was further secured. Taris and all it's symbolism was crushed in the Republic's faces. And Empire-backed House Thul was starting to look good for the throne due to their superior military, and their acceptance of the burden of managing the Killiks.

But then the Republic came back strong. The Empire lost Balmorra, which was a huge blow. Alderaan leaned more towards the Organas. Corellia was lost. Their attempts to cut off the Republic from its allies failed.

But the Republic took hits too. Belsavis was a HUGE blow. A PR nightmare, the sudden release of some of the worst destructive elements the Republic had ever faced, all at once, and the Imperials getting their claws into a whole pile of Rakatta tech. The Republic lost it's only real safe Force-user storage facility.

Hoth, Voss and Ilum I think were indications of a stalemate. The initial power ploys had been exhausted, the Empire was on the defensive now, but the Republic was too shaky to push into Imperial territory (Still got Separatists, Hutts, Crime Syndicates etc to deal with, and they seem to see the Republic as a WAY better target than the Imps). Superweapons on both sides had been built, tested, blown up and/or countered, and now they're back to the drawing board to try again.

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Arijharn
04.02.2013 , 12:33 AM | #62
This is all very good, but the Empire winning was despite player agency. It was all in yesteryear before our characters came to the fore. I would hope that in Rothc, meaningful strides occur pro-Empire for the sake of narrative.

It's all very well if Empire players initially take Corellia, but to paraphrase my Wrath when informed that Republic has taken it back, 'da***?'

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KaleTogras
04.02.2013 , 12:47 AM | #63
Spoilers from RotHC that pretty much put an end to the debate of whether or not the Empire is loosing:

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So the question is no longer is the Empire losing. It is, badly. The question is, how can it bounce back? My money is on some kind of...Death Machine, or a new Star in the Empire's army...Death...Star, hmmm. I know: a Demise Sphere !

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jovianus
04.02.2013 , 09:31 AM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by KaleTogras View Post
Spoilers from RotHC that pretty much put an end to the debate of whether or not the Empire is loosing:

Spoiler


So the question is no longer is the Empire losing. It is, badly. The question is, how can it bounce back? My money is on some kind of...Death Machine, or a new Star in the Empire's army...Death...Star, hmmm. I know: a Demise Sphere !
Well...looks like I'll be dropping TOR then. Maybe go back to EVE or wait for Wildstar.. They should have probably put a disclaimer at the beginning, "Even though we offer two factions, the Empire exists only to give the Republic something to shoot at. "

That or the culmination of Makeb better be the Empire revealing some new weapon/strategy that sets the Republic back on the defensive.

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zzoorrzz
04.02.2013 , 11:55 AM | #65
Well no matter how many battles Republic wins, it won't make them any less lame or Empire any less cool.

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lokdron
04.02.2013 , 12:39 PM | #66
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Well...looks like I'll be dropping TOR then. Maybe go back to EVE or wait for Wildstar.. They should have probably put a disclaimer at the beginning, "Even though we offer two factions, the Empire exists only to give the Republic something to shoot at. "

That or the culmination of Makeb better be the Empire revealing some new weapon/strategy that sets the Republic back on the defensive.
Trust me on this right now I watched the whole empire questline with makeb you will be happy by the end of it.

Trust me I was pissed the empire is losing I watched the questline I am now blown away with what the empire can now do in the future.
You have seen it, you have felt it within you as you have traveled with me. The growing anger, the rage, and the power it brings. Yet the power does not build without struggle. Through small cruelties greater ones are born. Kriea/Darth Traya
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Sideblaze
04.02.2013 , 09:30 PM | #67
1: You can bring back intelligence.
2:each of my characters, alone, has atleast an army's worth of republic kills under his belt.
3: Malgus may be retconned back to life later, We never saw a body, and that douchebag from the SW storyline seemed to handle his 3rd degree burns fine.

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KaleTogras
04.03.2013 , 12:55 AM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by jovianus View Post
Well...looks like I'll be dropping TOR then. Maybe go back to EVE or wait for Wildstar.. They should have probably put a disclaimer at the beginning, "Even though we offer two factions, the Empire exists only to give the Republic something to shoot at. "

That or the culmination of Makeb better be the Empire revealing some new weapon/strategy that sets the Republic back on the defensive.
The Emperor's Wrath and Captain Kirrahe demand that you hold the line !