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mandoforlife
03.31.2013 , 09:44 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by DkSharktooth View Post
Hi AP! Thanks for posting in Merc forums! We hope to see more input in the future.
Seconded! I love that we're starting to see some posts from AP lately, I hope it keeps up.
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herowarrior
04.02.2013 , 10:14 AM | #12
Thanks for the reply AP.
The news about unload is greatly appreciated. Any explanation for what I read elsewhere about pyro spec for Mercs and what the Powertech nerfs meant for us?

"Pyro is going to be pretty bad for PvP now. Arsenal is going to be our best option, due to these changes:

CGC DoT: Bioware increased the proc rate to 50%. That means that you're almost always going to proc cgc with rapid shots. This not only makes the missile salvo cgc application pointless, but to compensate for the increase, the dot's damage was almost cut in half. On live, I have my cgc crit for 1k on application. That's not going to happen in 2.0, and that's a significant nerf to our sustained damage.

Thermal Det: Thermal det now applies a 12sec dot upon exploding. That would be good, but they nerfed TD's upfront damage, thus ruining the burst that this ability gave us. Now, it hits for about the same damage as Powershot. This was the nail in to coffin for pyro as a viable PvP spec.

It was great on the PTS before the CGC and Thermal Det changes. It had good utility, with Cure reducing the damage of remaining DoTs, Chaff Flare releasing us of movement impairing effects (PTs SO didn't need this, but BW gave it to them anyways- way to take away from merc uniqueness), damage reducing the CD on Jet Boost, and Energy Shield reciprocating damage to our attacker. All that made it a GREAT PvP spec, with good mobility. But then BW threw us the nerfs that were meant for PTs."

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mandoforlife
04.02.2013 , 09:39 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by herowarrior View Post
Thanks for the reply AP.
The news about unload is greatly appreciated. Any explanation for what I read elsewhere about pyro spec for Mercs and what the Powertech nerfs meant for us?

"Pyro is going to be pretty bad for PvP now. Arsenal is going to be our best option, due to these changes:

CGC DoT: Bioware increased the proc rate to 50%. That means that you're almost always going to proc cgc with rapid shots. This not only makes the missile salvo cgc application pointless, but to compensate for the increase, the dot's damage was almost cut in half. On live, I have my cgc crit for 1k on application. That's not going to happen in 2.0, and that's a significant nerf to our sustained damage.

Thermal Det: Thermal det now applies a 12sec dot upon exploding. That would be good, but they nerfed TD's upfront damage, thus ruining the burst that this ability gave us. Now, it hits for about the same damage as Powershot. This was the nail in to coffin for pyro as a viable PvP spec.

It was great on the PTS before the CGC and Thermal Det changes. It had good utility, with Cure reducing the damage of remaining DoTs, Chaff Flare releasing us of movement impairing effects (PTs SO didn't need this, but BW gave it to them anyways- way to take away from merc uniqueness), damage reducing the CD on Jet Boost, and Energy Shield reciprocating damage to our attacker. All that made it a GREAT PvP spec, with good mobility. But then BW threw us the nerfs that were meant for PTs."
Quoting me from the other pyro merc thread huh? I'm flattered

But I still stand by what I said there. I don't think the changes were meant to affect mercs how they have, I think it was to tone down PT burst and make Thermal Det more appealing to PvEers. But the increased proc rate for cgc made the missile salvo 100% cgc application almost pointless, and reduced the cgc damage quite significantly; both PvE and PvP players are complaining about that. And then the DoT attached to Thermal Det is nice, but it ruined the burst it gave us pyro mercs, and it was burst we definatley needed to be compete with PTs in Pyro (even then our burst wasn't as good). If AP wanted to tone down PT Pyro burst in PvP, he probably wouldve been better off taking a look at Rail Shot (for PT only, not Mercs). They could proc RS every 6 seconds off if two instant abilities- that's where most of the pain was coming from in PvP. After all, Thermal Det is only 10m for them, where as Rail Shot is 30- wouldn't it make more sense for the ability they have to get up close with do more damage?

Anyways, I'm getting off track. I'm just disappointed, because Merc Pyro is getting some impressive utility in 2.0, like I listed off in where you quoted me, but the nerfs took away our burst and some of our utility and complexity (missile salvo). And every PvPer knows burst is king.
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herowarrior
04.03.2013 , 08:25 AM | #14
@Mandoforlife

Yup, you've got it spot on (bit noobish on the forums hence the copy and paste of your post!).

I've been playing merc since launch and love the class. It's the only one that feels like the right fit for my style of play.
I will try to hold back on raging further about the PT pyro nerfs and how they will affect mercs until I have had a chance to play for myself, but I will be utterly disappointed if my favourite class hasn't been improved (especially as the changes that are needed and the short comings of the class are so glaringly obvious!)

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mandoforlife
04.03.2013 , 11:59 AM | #15
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@Mandoforlife

Yup, you've got it spot on (bit noobish on the forums hence the copy and paste of your post!).

I've been playing merc since launch and love the class. It's the only one that feels like the right fit for my style of play.
I will try to hold back on raging further about the PT pyro nerfs and how they will affect mercs until I have had a chance to play for myself, but I will be utterly disappointed if my favourite class hasn't been improved (especially as the changes that are needed and the short comings of the class are so glaringly obvious!)
I hear you man, my Merc has been my main since early access, and despite being at the bottom of the barrel for my chosen endgame of PvP, I still love the advanced class to death! I'm very attached to my merc
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Sirsuitntie Sorcerer - Jatne Operative - Zaavar Assassin - Alsaire Marauder
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