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Khevar
03.30.2013 , 02:50 PM | #971
Quote: Originally Posted by KariTalRathe View Post
Well we seem more in agreement than not. Which is great, cus mods come and go, it's all about the look


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HakkaP
03.30.2013 , 03:00 PM | #972
Quote: Originally Posted by KariTalRathe View Post
Have you ever tried it? It always works for me when I run a FP for a chance of a specific drop, not because it is an upgrade but because I like the look, or it will be an upgrade for my companion. I declare it right at the beginning and so far have not had one refusal...though obviously I may not win the roll.
Yeah no problem if you ask it right at the beginning. Allthough if its an upgrade for my character I would refuse, and in that case I think the other two players would back me up most of the time. Other thing... Lot of players run flashpoints just for fast xp, they dont really care about drops before lvl 50, cause tbh it doenst really matter especially in late 40s, cause you get free gear when you cap (something I really dislike in this game). People dont just like ninjas. If you ask about it before, many dont just care and accept. That is my theory anyway. In my time I have NEVER seen anyone ask for need companions. Few ninjas though.

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Jeweledleah
03.30.2013 , 05:38 PM | #973
Quote: Originally Posted by KariTalRathe View Post
Have you ever tried it? It always works for me when I run a FP for a chance of a specific drop, not because it is an upgrade but because I like the look, or it will be an upgrade for my companion. I declare it right at the beginning and so far have not had one refusal...though obviously I may not win the roll.
the key here is that you declare it at the beginning, giving other people opportunity to adjust. you don't just spring it on them, because you decided to ignore conventional assumption.

communication and all that.

I've needed for my companions. I needed for looks alone. I had ZERO problem with it. because I asked. conventional "need for upgrade, greed for everything else, ask otherwise" is default for majority of players. its default for a reason, as it allows the most people opportunity to upgrade their character. NO ONE is saying that you must stick to default no matter the cost. what people are saying is that its a problem, if you don't tell people that you plan on needed based on different criteria and just "surprise" the rest of the group.

I ignored one such player today. (granted, needing on everything wasn't the only issue I had with that player, but it was certainly one of them) he's going to have one less healer to random with. the other dps ignored as well. it might not seem like much right now, but do it long enough and you'll have no one to play with.

communicate, and/or stick to default conventions. accept that not everyone might go along with you wanting to need something that could be a personal upgrade. its really not that difficult.

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Esproc
03.30.2013 , 06:27 PM | #974
Quote: Originally Posted by Jeweledleah View Post
the key here is that you declare it at the beginning, giving other people opportunity to adjust. you don't just spring it on them, because you decided to ignore conventional assumption.

I've needed for my companions. I needed for looks alone. I had ZERO problem with it. because I asked. conventional "need for upgrade, greed for everything else, ask otherwise" is default for majority of players. its default for a reason, as it allows the most people opportunity to upgrade their character.
italics for emphasis.

This has been debated from before the game was even into Early Release.

It should go as follows, but many people have been numbed to any manners by other free for all games ..

Need, your character needs the item for an upgrade.
Greed, your character, companions, or desire to have said object for whatever purpose.
Pass, who cares? I don't want it.

If you need for everything, like another decrepit game, then bye, so lone, /ignore. No Jawa's allowed (sorry to the righteous Jawas out there, but you know you are a ninja type race, and prior decree decided your race become the new scapegrace).
In this Age of Information, Ignorance is a Choice!

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TannerJBanks
03.30.2013 , 07:29 PM | #975
For me no matter what MMO im playing i always want my character to look cool no mater what armor im wearing which is why i love the fact that orange is mod able in this game. And i hate thinking i miss a chance to discover a cool new piece of orange armor so im asking would you say most orange comes from hercs, fp, and random drops?
chuck norris only had 2 kids they were kyle katarn and the most interesting man in the worls

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KariTalRathe
03.30.2013 , 08:19 PM | #976
Quote: Originally Posted by Esproc View Post
italics for emphasis.

This has been debated from before the game was even into Early Release.

It should go as follows, but many people have been numbed to any manners by other free for all games ..

Need, your character needs the item for an upgrade.
Greed, your character, companions, or desire to have said object for whatever purpose.
Pass, who cares? I don't want it.

If you need for everything, like another decrepit game, then bye, so lone, /ignore. No Jawa's allowed (sorry to the righteous Jawas out there, but you know you are a ninja type race, and prior decree decided your race become the new scapegrace).
But it is no longer early game, it is over one year old.

Are you seriously telling me that a player who has every crew skill maxed, a legacy of characters that mean each receive Heroic Moments as well as every buff going is as 'needy' as a new player on their first character? Come now.

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Esproc
03.30.2013 , 09:05 PM | #977
Quote: Originally Posted by KariTalRathe View Post
But it is no longer early game, it is over one year old.

Are you seriously telling me that a player who has every crew skill maxed, a legacy of characters that mean each receive Heroic Moments as well as every buff going is as 'needy' as a new player on their first character? Come now.
I never once stated a person who NEEDs on an item does not NEED that item.

I did specifically state that NEED is for an upgrade for a character at that time.

Also Need was not for Companions, Style, or any other purpose that would be GREED.

If someone is needing on items that they in turn do not in fact Need they are Jawas, Ninjas, whatever you want to call them. Bye, so long, /Ignore.

I have all crafting skills maxed along with the missions, classes, and buffs.
I make all of my characters gear and mods, the exception being rarities like the 1.2 M credit Exalted Legacy outfit for my BH, Sage, and Jugg. And I still make all mods, earpieces, implants, and sometimes weapons.

I most always pass or choose greed as there is rarely anything I could want, but there are people who need on everything that drops and then some including what they can not even use.

People are known by how they act, especially in a game hidden behind pixels, and my ignore list grows almost everyday. Sadly I keep a laptop full of these names and wish EA would just do account wide ignores as it is the person I ignore and not the pixelated figure.
In this Age of Information, Ignorance is a Choice!

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Mowermanx
03.30.2013 , 09:17 PM | #978
The fact that this thread is still going, screams out that "need" should disappear from the options, and just have a roll and pass options.

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Ratajack
03.30.2013 , 09:24 PM | #979
Quote: Originally Posted by Esproc View Post
...it is the person I ignore and not the pixelated figure.
Does anyone else find it ironic that it is the PERSON that people want to ignore, and not just the pixelated figure, but when it comes to loot, they only want to base loot distribution on the pixelated figure and not the PERSON who actually contributed?

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Ratajack
03.30.2013 , 09:27 PM | #980
Quote: Originally Posted by Mowermanx View Post
The fact that this thread is still going, screams out that "need" should disappear from the options, and just have a roll and pass options.
This would work provided everyone present was permitted to roll and it did not become a "you're not trooper, you have to pass on aim gear" situation. Another alternative, as a previous poster suggested, is to give everyone in the FP the same piece of loot.