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Jeweledleah
03.29.2013 , 11:40 PM | #931
you know one good thing came out of this thread for me, personally. i thought I was a selfish person.

I realized that compared to some of the people here? I'm definitely not.

feels good.

as for social conventions that are not written laws.
1. a lot of laws started out as social conventions, to be written down and made official later.
2. they are design to make life more pleasant for as many people as possible.

here's a social convention. I'm relatively young. healthy. taking public transport somewhere. an old woman comes in, walking slowly, laboriously with a can. that public transport is pretty full, there is no place for her to sit, and only free place to stand is in front of me. there is no law anywhere that says I should give up my sit for her. that sit is comfortable, its certainly useful for me. but it is a nice, RIGHT thing to do.

and the thing is, unlike giving up my sit on a crowded buss - NOT rolling need for my companion, unless group is ok with it will not result nearly in as much discomfort.

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Bomyne
03.29.2013 , 11:47 PM | #932
Quote: Originally Posted by Jonrobbie View Post
Came across two flashpoints yesterday where I was verbally talked down to by a gamer each time for winning loot for my companion. I dont understand the big deal. Why the sense of entitlement over another gamer? If I see an item that would be needed for my companion to equip im going to roll for it. If someone else wins it, cool, good for them as far as im concerned. If i win it f, suddenly there are problems.
First flashpoint came across an item, i passed as neither i nor my companions needed it, Second one selected need for my tank. Got it. Third one, great for my tank, selected need, got it again. Then got told I was scum and voted off.
Second one, passed on two items, third one great for my tank, selected need and was told I had no right if it was for my companion and that I cant select need. I say why not? Out of 13 loot drops in that flashpoint i chose need on 2. How is that greedy?

As far as im concerned, im a paid subscriber. Why should some other gamer dictate to me what I can or cannot do to benefit them? If someone wants help on a mission or flashpoint and asks me, ill have no problem helping them but if i see something my tank needs, im selecting need. Im certainly not going to cry over it if someone else wins it. This sense of entitlement over someone else is baffling. There is no rulebook in the game that states that you cant do it and everyone who rolls for it has an equal chance
Only select need if YOU need it. If you want it for a companion, click greed.

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KariTalRathe
03.30.2013 , 03:27 AM | #933
Quote: Originally Posted by Bomyne View Post
Only select need if YOU need it. If you want it for a companion, click greed.
An upgrade for a DPS companion is a crucial and hugely beneficial upgrade for a healer specced character (for example). Not all classes are equal when it comes to need. To dismiss our companions as non-integral to our characters is nonsense - or do you swap gear when you're soloing and only use the FP dropped gear when you are actually in a FP?

No, didn't think so.

EDIT: Just want to add that Rata is not the only person to have views that differ to the social norm. If he were, threads like this would not exist. The very fact these threads exist at all just proves that your social norms are not as widespread as you like to believe.

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Khevar
03.30.2013 , 03:36 AM | #934
Quote: Originally Posted by KariTalRathe View Post
An upgrade for a DPS companion is a crucial and hugely beneficial upgrade for a healer specced character (for example). Not all classes are equal when it comes to need. To dismiss our companions as non-integral to our characters is nonsense - or do you swap gear when you're soloing and only use the FP dropped gear when you are actually in a FP?

No, didn't think so.
Everyone has a companion. Everyone should have an opportunity to win loot. If everyone Greeds, everyone gets a fair chance at the loot. Simple.

However, there is one exception that most players follow. If the loot drop in question is a direct upgrade to one of the main toons in the Heroic / Flashpoint, the player can Need on it. Effectively, the rest of the group is saying "Here, you can have this drop, it's yours"

Generally speaking, players that subscribe to this rule, give away direct-upgrade-loot to another player, expecting the same courtesy will be given them later on.

If you, as a healer, see a good piece of dps-companion loot, and think (for some reason) you are more deserving of this drop than everyone else in the group, feel free to ask first.

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KariTalRathe
03.30.2013 , 03:40 AM | #935
Don't confuse as deserving with more deserving. Seen a lot of that happen in this thread.

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jovianus
03.30.2013 , 04:08 AM | #936
Quote: Originally Posted by KariTalRathe View Post
An upgrade for a DPS companion is a crucial and hugely beneficial upgrade for a healer specced character (for example). Not all classes are equal when it comes to need. To dismiss our companions as non-integral to our characters is nonsense - or do you swap gear when you're soloing and only use the FP dropped gear when you are actually in a FP?
How much did your companion contribute to the FP run? The key difference is that 9 times out of 10 upgrading your companion benefits you and only you. Whereas a player character getting an upgrade benefits everyone that person groups with because it makes them more effective in their role..

It's fine if your solo experience is your priority, but don't expect other players to hold your ease of soloing to be equal in priority to their group experience.

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odawgg
03.30.2013 , 04:16 AM | #937
I could see a need for discussion about a year ago when columi was this shiz nit. Need if ur a greedy SOB, greed if you're not (Ironic huh). Cuz Lord knows there's nothing worth keeping from flashpoints. Start a new thread when 2.0 hits and the FP loot is actually worth a damn again.

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KariTalRathe
03.30.2013 , 04:28 AM | #938
Quote: Originally Posted by jovianus View Post
How much did your companion contribute to the FP run? The key difference is that 9 times out of 10 upgrading your companion benefits you and only you. Whereas a player character getting an upgrade benefits everyone that person groups with because it makes them more effective in their role..

It's fine if your solo experience is your priority, but don't expect other players to hold your ease of soloing to be equal in priority to their group experience.
The FPs are level-based, our companions are integral to our levelling, they contributed to us being there! And once we are on to Ops, where we want to be as well geared as we can be, who is it running the missions with us to collect dailies and BH comms in order for us to achieve that? Companions again.

And I am not the one with expectations here, it is the other side so to speak. What happened to the good old convention of actually talking to your fellow party members and sorting out loot rules before you begin? To attach convention that was applicable when the game was young and everyone was levelling their first character, is completely outdated in current terms.

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Icestar
03.30.2013 , 05:55 AM | #939
Quote: Originally Posted by KariTalRathe View Post
The FPs are level-based, our companions are integral to our levelling, they contributed to us being there!
Yes but the main reason for most of the community to do FPs is to gear up their character.

I never do a FP with the objective to gear up someone elses companion that is not even used in the FP, regardless how much need they claim their companion has.

If someone takes a item they should not have I simply initiate a vote kick and place the player on ignore. It is nothing personal but as I mentioned before I do not spend hours to gear up companions.

However.....

Quote: Originally Posted by KariTalRathe View Post
What happened to the good old convention of actually talking to your fellow party members and sorting out loot rules before you begin? To attach convention that was applicable when the game was young and everyone was levelling their first character, is completely outdated in current terms.
If the player communicate and asks before rolling and the team agrees it will always be fine.

If someone writes "character items need only and companion items greed only, OK?" and the team agrees then the lootrules are set before start and hopefully no drama will occur either.

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Ratajack
03.30.2013 , 06:27 AM | #940
Quote: Originally Posted by Jeweledleah View Post
you know one good thing came out of this thread for me, personally. i thought I was a selfish person.

I realized that compared to some of the people here? I'm definitely not.

feels good.

as for social conventions that are not written laws.
1. a lot of laws started out as social conventions, to be written down and made official later.
2. they are design to make life more pleasant for as many people as possible.

here's a social convention. I'm relatively young. healthy. taking public transport somewhere. an old woman comes in, walking slowly, laboriously with a can. that public transport is pretty full, there is no place for her to sit, and only free place to stand is in front of me. there is no law anywhere that says I should give up my sit for her. that sit is comfortable, its certainly useful for me. but it is a nice, RIGHT thing to do.

and the thing is, unlike giving up my sit on a crowded buss - NOT rolling need for my companion, unless group is ok with it will not result nearly in as much discomfort.
You choosing to not to roll need for your companion is like you giving up your seat on the bus. Expecting the person in the group with you is like expecting a stranger on the bus to give up HIS seat. Do you throw the person who does not give up their seat off the bus? Shouldn't he be punished? He is, after all, violating "social convention" and you should be able to make your displeasure known to him?

You can tell him he is being rude without throwing him off the bus, you say? I thought that you could, but judging by several posters posts, I was beginning to wonder if that option had been taken away from us.
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