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Pre 50 Mob skipping and players who are too high level.

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Pre 50 Mob skipping and players who are too high level.

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Frog_brains
03.26.2013 , 08:23 AM | #21
i think i'm probably the cause of most of these complaints. especially when at the begining of the run, you specifically ask whether or not you want a speed run, everyone agrees and then half way through they're like "well lets do the bonus".
I was in a group with my sentinal the other day doing Taral V, the time it took for this group to do the run once with all the bonus' we could have done it at least 3 times skipping through things, and have gotten more xp in the same amount of time than they did doing it just once with the bonus. it took almost 1.5 hours to get it done with all the bonus' A good speed run for Taral V is less than 25 mins.

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Larry_Dallas
03.26.2013 , 11:54 PM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by Wraiven View Post
I am seeing this more and more and I have to say, because of this I am queuing less and less. There are too many people who are queuing for Flashpoints who have far out leveled the thing, and they are just hurting the XP for those of us who are within that level range. These players who are doing this are obviously not going to stop, so the problem in itself needs to be addressed and fixed by Bioware.

Furthermore, player pre 50 are skipping mobs and going completely out of their way to avoid having to kill anything in these Flashpoints. They act like they are level 50 and all they want are the comms. This also needs to be addressed and fixed.

Players are obviously not going to stop, so it needs to be fixed. I am sick of sitting in a Flashpoint queue for what seems to be an eternity just to get on a team that either has a player way too high for the Flashpoint or getting in with a team that seems to think they need to skip all the mobs. Do players not realize how fast you can level if you take the time to kill the mobs in these things? As long as everyone is within the 3 level range of each toher, the XP is insane, yet people want to skip them.

It's getting to a point that I am never queuing for Flashpoints anymore.
Dude, don't come to the forums and complain, fix it yourself.

Just ask the group if you can kill the mobs for the XP. Mention that it gives a lot.

Hell, adverstise the idea of LFG to do flashpoint X and kill all the mobs for the XP on the appropriate level planet. You'll get people to bite and none of them will be overleveled.

If that still doesn't work, roll a tank. THAT will definitely work.

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steave
03.27.2013 , 01:33 AM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by Seireeni View Post
...killing everything in the fp is like leveling by running around the planet killing random mobs instead of doing missions.
BUT, if the fp has a bonus, then I'm all in for doing it, because it gives an additional boss, and bosses are the reason I do fps. They are fun to fight.
You hit the nail on the head right there. Most of the XP from doing a FP comes from the reward for the mission for completing the FP itself, bonus missions and the daily terminal mission. Killing anything that can be avoided that isn't needed for the bonus is just a waste of time, you would gain much more by going back to whatever planet you where on and use the time saved to kill mobs while also doing normal missions.

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wetslampigduex
03.27.2013 , 08:32 AM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by steave View Post
You hit the nail on the head right there. Most of the XP from doing a FP comes from the reward for the mission for completing the FP itself, bonus missions and the daily terminal mission. Killing anything that can be avoided that isn't needed for the bonus is just a waste of time, you would gain much more by going back to whatever planet you where on and use the time saved to kill mobs while also doing normal missions.
I disagree with the above statement. If you've spent any credits on the Bonus XP for FP's, while lvling if you kill the majority of the mobs in FP your going to get more XP than running around a planet killing mobs. If you q at a proper lvl you can bang out about 1/3-1/2 of a lvl with just killing mobs. If you do bonuses and have the daily quest and the quest to complete said FP you can gain almost 1 whole lvl in roughly 30-40 mins. I'm not talking going in and killing every single mob in the instance, but if you kill the ones in your path it's well worth the time spent.

Actually I took about a month+ break and just started playing again sunday. Last night I qed for a FP with my 33 Mara. It put me in Cademimu which I over lvl. I wasn't pleased but hey I wanted some PVE. While going down the big elevator the healer jumped and killed himself then rezzed. He said wait im the healer, the tank responded by saying it's ok were skipping all this, we'll be fine pulling the next mob. I then said " I don't care because I over-level this place and im not getting much xp anyways, but what is the reason behind skipping all these mobs while lvling, you need xp. Got a classic response "Just F'n leave". The tank tried to get me to leave the entire FP talking trash telling me i'm a typical mara and I don't understand anyting, im just a noob. Yet I was the only one killing weak to strong.Actually getting yelled at for not attacking his target.He wsn't using guard and if I remember he got his AOE taunt at 29 for a PT which I never saw used once he was lvl 30. I just laughed him of tho, I have all 3 tanks and have cleared all content(except new ilum) on them except on the juggy he's on a different server.

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psandak
03.27.2013 , 08:59 AM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by JouerTue View Post
i never care about the xp penalty. i always ask people if they want a full run and if they want the bonus. same thing if in a HM i see someone undergeared: he has the right to see any drop the instance can provide. just talk..if you are short in time you shouldn't start a fp..
My opinion exactly. It is about communication and accepting majority rule. If you want to kill everything and the other three want to skip (or vice versa), you have a choice to either accept their choice and move on or leave the group.

Quote: Originally Posted by JSunrider View Post
Narrowing the level range eligible for the flashpoint would cause a new problem--only being eligible for 1-2 flashpoints at a time. People already complain about how often they get Flashpoint X. How ugly do you think it would get if the ONLY options were X and Y? There are not enough "leveling" flashpoints for this way to work.
This is happening already. As you level you never have access to more than three flashpoints through the group finder, and sometimes it is only one (starts off with BT/Essless only, then you get access to Athis, then BT/Ess drops off and you get Hammer station, then you get MR added, but then Athis and HS fall off quickly and Cademimu gets added, etc etc).

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ClexMix
03.27.2013 , 10:40 AM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by RandomXChance View Post
You really think that we did not know that? Over half the point of doing a flashpoint IS the groupfinder reward. I do one with all selected, then maybe one more with only the highest selected.

What a waste of a post.

Who the hell queues for low level fps for comms? More than likely they are past the planet they get them for...as the op said.

Almost always I have better gear than each planet gives anyway through crafting armoring and fps.

I love how his post got your panties in a twist and you .issed his point entirely... gg

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Lanja
03.27.2013 , 12:27 PM | #27
Personally I find "Defeat # Schmucks and # Tough-schmucks" bonus quests boring, annoying and often out of character. I actually like the idea of avoiding as many unnecessary fights as possible, focusing in on just those mobs/champs/bosses you need to take out in order to accomplishing the overall mission. (Recently stole all the Imperial relay data without aggro'ing a single mob on Voss with my Commando (delighted) only to find the mission turn-in conversation still assumed death and mayhem on my part (sigh).

That said, for those alts I'm leveling, I generally want to capture every drop of mission EXP (not necessarily kill exp)that I can get, so I try to wax every bad guy I find to complete the bonus quest ASAP and THEN try to avoid any further unnecesary mobs. One guy showed me a ledge you can use onthe Tyrant 4+ heroic on Belsavis that'll allow you to skip all but the first mob and the boss fights. As there was no "Kill #" bonus mission for that one, we gleefully snuck past all the trash. Nice!

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steave
03.27.2013 , 12:40 PM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by wetslampigduex View Post
I disagree with the above statement. If you've spent any credits on the Bonus XP for FP's, while lvling if you kill the majority of the mobs in FP your going to get more XP than running around a planet killing mobs. If you q at a proper lvl you can bang out about 1/3-1/2 of a lvl with just killing mobs. If you do bonuses and have the daily quest and the quest to complete said FP you can gain almost 1 whole lvl in roughly 30-40 mins. I'm not talking going in and killing every single mob in the instance, but if you kill the ones in your path it's well worth the time spent.
Sorry, but I'm calling bs on that. My latest 50, my 47 and 45 where leveled exclusively by doing only dailies (wz and fp ones), class missions and a few extra WZs, and your statement only held true during double xp weekends,, unless we're talking extremely low level, around 15-20 or so, with an xp boost active at all times and rested xp.

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JMCH
03.27.2013 , 02:54 PM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by Mmurph View Post
My point was, do the one run with all selected, get your daily reward, then deselect the ones you don't want to do.

What a bigger waste of a post. Followed by this one.
Do you really think everyone run multiple flashpoints a day?

When I do, it's only because I gained a level and obtained the next daily, and that's clearly not everyday.

Your issue is way simpler than that : there are VERY few groupfinder users, to the point what should be almost perfect is totally inefficient.

Never trust what /who says, population on the servers is ridiculous and this is even why the level range is that large.

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Wraiven
03.27.2013 , 06:26 PM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by Larry_Dallas View Post
Dude, don't come to the forums and complain, fix it yourself.

Just ask the group if you can kill the mobs for the XP. Mention that it gives a lot.

Hell, adverstise the idea of LFG to do flashpoint X and kill all the mobs for the XP on the appropriate level planet. You'll get people to bite and none of them will be overleveled.

If that still doesn't work, roll a tank. THAT will definitely work.

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