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The ranked scene here on Harbinger is getting really annoying

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The ranked scene here on Harbinger is getting really annoying

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Sowwy
03.26.2013 , 04:41 PM | #31
Yes, our community is small. But I'd hazard a guess that we have a few dozen top tier players, and likely double that number of players possessing at least above average skill. While that's insufficient for an emergent robust community, its more than enough if we organization. Some of you have said as much before, I don't doubt.

Community outreach. Assembling teams should be more inclusive, less cliquey. In a community as small as ours, tight exclusive groups are toxic. Lets take Chukles' massive kickball idea and run with it. All we need are a few folks with more initiative them myself. I won't captain a team, or do any legwork, but I'll play ball if I get asked.

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IAmViiOLENT
03.26.2013 , 06:13 PM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by AltruisticRage View Post
I use that word loosely as anyone who is truly serious about competitive PvP matches does not play SWTOR. SWTORs PvP, without matchmaking, is not competitive. I having a funny hunch you wouldn't like playing rateds the moment you were constantly playing teams as good as you are.

Yeah, it was called the PTS and we enjoyed every moment of it. rofl. Coincidentally, our win/loss ratio was split almost evenly down the middle.

I'm sure there are several people from this server who were rank 1 gladiators in WoW, and yet they are now here playing swtor. I personally enjoy this game's PvP, at the highest level. Stomping pugs isnt fun beyond getting to mess with stupid specs and have some laughs at the retarded **** that happens.

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JackNader
03.26.2013 , 06:29 PM | #33
Until the ONLY developer who is in charge of class balance stops playing his sniper and actually learns how to balance, (not going to happen) rateds is always going to suck.

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Eldriq
03.26.2013 , 08:10 PM | #34
This comes up all the time in guild chat in every guild and lets at least be honest it is no big mystery why people do not que for Ranked. We have a ton of small pvp guilds that group on a pretty regular basis and could probably field teams if they wanted to unfortunately they gave it a try got demolished and spit on and decided it was not worth it.

1: They do not like to lose that bad, now losing is not the worst thing to happen but you get a lot of matches where you get farmed and 3 capped. No one is going to keep queing for that, because surprise it is not fun. Especially when guilds don't keep members in check with the trash talk. Come on you just destroyed someones team and then you add insult to injury then expect them to come back? That is just naive when people lose and are called names they stop playing especially when there are no rewards.

2: No incentive but ranked comms, no one is going to que for ranked against the best teams just for the chance to get some ranked comms. When the alternative is to que for normal and have a far better chance at winning.

3: Many people "not me" want to do ranked but only if they have a specific team or guild with them. Even people who do ranked in a guild still only want to go if they have certain spots filled "healer anyone". The point is no one does Ranked for fun instead it turns into this huge meta game of what classes do we have on and who is currently qued, it is not about wanting to pvp ranked for the fun of it but just because you want to win and get the ego boost.

Conclusion: Ranked is broken and until the player base changes or they institute cross server it will stay a ghost town filled with the 1 percent of pvpers who care about it. While the 99 percent of us outside it will happily play in normals and rarely if ever even give it a thought.
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Sheemie
03.26.2013 , 11:14 PM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by JackNader View Post
Until the ONLY developer who is in charge of class balance stops playing his sniper and actually learns how to balance, (not going to happen) rateds is always going to suck.
I find it funny that the class balance issue always comes up. Lukewarm's Ateam usually consists of 1 jugg 1 mar 1 PT 1 Snipe 1 sin 2 ops and 1 sorc. The only class that is not represented is a merc and lets be honest if your still playing a merc you're wasting your time.

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DesmoLegacy
03.26.2013 , 11:32 PM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by AltruisticRage View Post
The PvP communities are much too small. The comprise potentially as few as 40 people or so on the entire server.

With that kind of number, you can have huge disparities in skill.

For PvP to be successful, no matter how awesome you think you are and that others should simply "get better", there has to be a huge range of skill levels and team ratings that are getting paired together.

A 500 rated team will never be as good as a 2000 rated team (arbitrary numbers). As a 2000 player, expecting 500 level players to simply "get better" is ludicrous. Instead of asking the lower rated teams to queue up so that you can perpetually pound them into oblivion for some altruistic notion of them getting better on your part, perhaps you should petition BW to let you play teams that are up to your "level" from other servers.

I use that word loosely as anyone who is truly serious about competitive PvP matches does not play SWTOR. SWTORs PvP, without matchmaking, is not competitive. I having a funny hunch you wouldn't like playing rateds the moment you were constantly playing teams as good as you are.
Rated pretty much needs x-server pvp and better rewards. Back when I used to do WoW arena i'd at least get a ****** mount that said "i'm better than you" once you make gladiator at the end of the season. The ranked rewards are garbage; who wants a different color of ugly gear?
Ducatii - 50 Marauder | Ducatista - 50 Operative
Dain'ese - 50 Juggernaut | Ducatisti - 50 Sniper
D'ucati - 50 Sentinel | Duc'ati - 50 Sage | Enduro - 50 Vanguard

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Marrio
03.27.2013 , 02:37 PM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by JackNader View Post
Until the ONLY developer who is in charge of class balance stops playing his sniper and actually learns how to balance, (not going to happen) rateds is always going to suck.
^ this post is so random... none of the top teams on the Harbinger even have a sniper.

Nerf mercs too those guys are ruining rateds!
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Ballzballzballz - Sniper <Lukewarm Tauntauns> (Bastion)
Luigi - Operative <Rock Bottom> (POT5)

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Xalbus
03.27.2013 , 02:39 PM | #38
We used to only have one or two guilds that would keep queuing against us, and all the others wouldn't even queue once if we had 8 people on. Sounds to me like you guys have it good these days!

I used to think that cross server RWZ queues were what I wanted, but now I think it's going to take arenas for me to really get into rated PvP again. 4v4 arenas would make a lot more teams able to queue, and would be more about who could kill the other team, not who could use boring mechanics to delay the other team.
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DesmoLegacy
03.27.2013 , 02:52 PM | #39
4v4 arena's would be great. Doubt they would even be able to implement that within a year.

This is a fun BS game to login and play a few WZ's with friends. Competitive pvp seems like a waste here, if I wanted that i'd go back to WoW. I'll just stick to enjoying the visual mind candy this game offers and have fun with friends. 8vs8 is a pipe dream with this single server archaic system.

OP should lift more or something and take his video game persona less seriously. Esp in this game.
Ducatii - 50 Marauder | Ducatista - 50 Operative
Dain'ese - 50 Juggernaut | Ducatisti - 50 Sniper
D'ucati - 50 Sentinel | Duc'ati - 50 Sage | Enduro - 50 Vanguard

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Rocanon
03.27.2013 , 04:36 PM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by DesmoLegacy View Post
OP should lift more or something and take his video game persona less seriously. Esp in this game.
That would seriously cut down on his ************ time. I mean how is he supposed to constantly talk about how great he is in every available venue if he lets himself be aware of the smallness of the pond he's a "big" fish in?