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Consolidated Post: APAC/Oceanic Server Concerns

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Consolidated Post: APAC/Oceanic Server Concerns
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jackdaley
03.26.2013 , 09:58 PM | #3911
Quote: Originally Posted by PseudoScience View Post
Most of the community understand perfectly that this is a cost cutting exercise, that's one of the reasons they are angry. The issue is multifaceted and that is just one issue among many.

But I seem to be trying to bring perspective to a few trolls in the post who like to agitate players under the guise of "logical" and "rational" argument.
Well it's good they understand but the big issue was population.. and now it's being fixed so yeah the ping and timezone issue sucks but atleast we get to play with a good heavy population

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Elizeth
03.26.2013 , 09:59 PM | #3912
Quote: Originally Posted by LadyKohastFel View Post
The rot has set in, Name hijacking has begun, some lowlifes are harvesting names of people on Dalbora fleet and creating armies of alts on Harbinger with FTP accounts so that the people being transferred will have to pick a new name (or possibly pay them to delete their alt so that they can keep their name, that hasn't happened yet but I have seen this kind of character name blackmail in other games when they did server merges.)
I was under the impression that whoever had the name the longest got to keep it.
'Disappointing' is not a valid criticism.

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-IceHawk-
03.26.2013 , 09:59 PM | #3913
Quote: Originally Posted by PPAlien View Post
Just to put to rest the argument that the petition is being signed by many outside of APAC, currently at 330 sigs, >95% are from APAC. Also, if you think 330 sigs isn't that many, be aware that is in 24 hours, where the number dries up when people go to bed for 12am to 9am. During waking hours the sigs/hour rises steadily increases until late evening.
At the current rate, it will be over 500 by the time I log off the game tonight.

SAVE THE APAC SERVER AND MERGE INTO 1 PETITION
Here is the fundamental problem with the petition: EA has determined that the current population does not warrant continued local investment.

Marshalling said population base to directly request that investment does not actually do anything that would alter the logic that went into the decision.

Now, if you could somehow demonstrate to EA that there is a larger base of potential players they have missed and can easily tap to increase revenue flow you might have something...

In reality, you guys are coming over to the NA servers or unsubbing.

I cannot really see any other viable option at this point as I doubt EA is going to reverse course on this one.

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Icykill_
03.26.2013 , 10:00 PM | #3914
Quote: Originally Posted by -IceHawk- View Post
It is almost like EA is attempting to localize its entire player base on either NA or European servers...

...now why would a company that is not experiencing high-level officer turn-over in the aftermath of an investor panic over a failing multi-million dollar venture want to do that?

Impossible even to guess, really.
The stupid thing is that Australia would have a better return for EA if they charged us in Australian currency instead of US...
The economist predict that the exchange rate will remain above $1 US for the foreseeable future...
I for one would not mind paying in Australian currency...
I know this next statement will be contentious...
Personally I would pay $5 extra per month on my subscription to keep the server in Australia because I love this game so much... but I PVP 90% of the time and will have to give the game up if the server moves

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-IceHawk-
03.26.2013 , 10:00 PM | #3915
Quote: Originally Posted by Elizeth View Post
I was under the impression that whoever had the name the longest got to keep it.
Actually, when the NA severs merged a number of us lost our long-standing names to native players.

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jackdaley
03.26.2013 , 10:02 PM | #3916
Quote: Originally Posted by Jinsali View Post
Proof..i'm currently on Dalbora now at the Imp fleet. So thats my proof..actual viaual evidence. Wheres your proof.
The fact that EA notice the population is low enough for a merge

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jackdaley
03.26.2013 , 10:03 PM | #3917
Quote: Originally Posted by -icehawk- View Post
here is the fundamental problem with the petition: Ea has determined that the current population does not warrant continued local investment.

Marshalling said population base to directly request that investment does not actually do anything that would alter the logic that went into the decision.

Now, if you could somehow demonstrate to ea that there is a larger base of potential players they have missed and can easily tap to increase revenue flow you might have something...

In reality, you guys are coming over to the na servers or unsubbing.

I cannot really see any other viable option at this point as i doubt ea is going to reverse course on this one.
this.

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SleepyKing
03.26.2013 , 10:04 PM | #3918
Quote: Originally Posted by -IceHawk- View Post
Yes, because the Revenue to Profit calculations of businesses really do work out that easily...

...what is the total over-head for APAC server support, including initial investment, and what is the ROI that these initial investments were predicated on, and how many subscribers must be reached to match those goals?

The real world economy is not Monopoly, there is more to a balance sheet than:

Subscriber $ - Server Fee $ = Profit
Neither you nor I nor anyone else in this thread has insider knowledge of the costs of running the APAC servers, nor of the revenue acquired from those customers through subscriptions and sales.

I'd be willing to bet, however, the total revenue from APAC customers exceeds the cost of running the servers, and that the calculus from EA is not "it costs more money to run these servers than we're making from these customers," but rather it's "we can move these customers to the US and save on server costs without any loss of revenue."

Okay, they'd be idiots to think that there wouldn't be some blowback from the move, but they probably think that their most valued customers - the ones who both subscribe and pump money into the market - are dedicated enough to stick with the game no matter what. At least anecdotally, I can say that isn't true. Large swathes of both my imp and pub guilds have announced they're quitting if the move takes place, including some of the most dedicated players. That will have secondary effects, like raid groups dissolving and more players quitting.

If I were to make a prediction, this will go down as another dumb-*** move from a company that has a serious track record of them. Maybe people won't quit in the numbers that it currently seems they will, but EA is taking a gamble here, made by bean counters who don't really get why and how people play the game.

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Nommaz
03.26.2013 , 10:04 PM | #3919
*sigh, yesterday fleet at this time 90 people (outside of peak) today 49... (on Dal)
Good Job BW Good Job

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uteboy
03.26.2013 , 10:08 PM | #3920
Quote: Originally Posted by -IceHawk- View Post
and [bioware] has consistently lied to APAC
Well, the current line is "They listened to us, and came up with Merges to NA for the best playing experence"

If they think Merges to NA is the best playing experience for us, then they lied about listening to us.

If they actually listened to us then they are lying about it being the best playing experience.

If you're correct about the non-economic viability of the APAC servers ( and I won't argue the point, wouldn't surprise me at all ), then the whole statement is a lie.

You could argue it's merely left out some key information ( they listened, BUT CHOSE TO IGNORE US, and came up with merges to NA for the best playing experience ), but imho the exclusion is tantamount to lying anyway.

If they came out and stated that it's not economically viable to run APAC servers, then so be it. I'd at least respect them for being honest. But as long as they continue with the "We listened" line, we're perfectly justified in pointing out to them that they really really didn't.