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BW, do you ever plan on addressing DPS Mercs/Commandos PvP-wise?

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BW, do you ever plan on addressing DPS Mercs/Commandos PvP-wise?
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ArchangelLBC
03.26.2013 , 03:14 PM | #1711
Classic Metrics!
Quote: Originally Posted by biowareftw View Post
The next EA/Bioware employee that ever thinks adding more CC to this game is a good idea? Fire them. Don't give them 2 weeks notice. Have security escort them to the door. Thank you in advance.

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DarthBloodloss
03.26.2013 , 03:37 PM | #1712
That dude needs to spend a full day just sitting in someone's teamspeak and watching their live stream. Let them talk to him as they do warzones.

Imagine 8 days of sitting in on a few different players of each class.
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SafeJungleFever
03.26.2013 , 03:51 PM | #1713
Quote: Originally Posted by evilmoka View Post
I tend to disagree. Smashers etc can almost take on 2 lesser classes even with the same gear. So many defensive/damage mitigation abilities plus insane dmg. They are at least 50% stronger than any other class atm, even powertechs. This could easily be quick patched by reducing smash damage by half. 4k for an instant attack is plenty. My commando in full expertise gear and ewh and augs has only crit low 4k for a 5 grav round demo round AT BEST. This is after 3x 1.5 second casts.

<< I can understand these types of things being around for a month or two while people get geared. Any more than that, there is absolutely positively no excuse for not having a quick fix.>>

The answer? Simple. "That guy" plays the class that is redonkulous and ignores all feedback to tune it down. Then "that guy" gets tired of said class and another class is magically OP. This is the evolution of most MMOs (actually all). It's called CORRUPTION. Same thing as our government, people who abuse their power for self gain. The people have voted and made it clear what to do for months. There is NO excuse.
THANK YOU. Someone else is starting to spread the word.

Lets keep demanding /played by AC and skill tree from the devs.

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SafeJungleFever
03.26.2013 , 03:53 PM | #1714
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthBloodloss View Post
That dude needs to spend a full day just sitting in someone's teamspeak and watching their live stream. Let them talk to him as they do warzones.

Imagine 8 days of sitting in on a few different players of each class.
Imagine him having bringing as much professionalism to his work in this game as my dog does to taking a crap in the yard. She usually spends a good 5 minutes finding a good spot. That's 5 minutes longer than the time he's put toward commandos.

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cashogy_reborn
03.26.2013 , 04:10 PM | #1715
well i find it hard to believe that AP has been the sole force behind class balance for the entire life of the game. there had to have been a larger team at one point, and then all that scaling down bioware did back in spring '12 probably cut away all of his support.

what irks me the most is that we, the community, are more than willing to act as his "teammates" on design, balance, and implementation. and not only will we do it for free, but we PAY 15$ a month for the chance to do it!

bioware needs to help us help them. in any game, there is a tier of players that know the game better than the devs. its just the way things are; for them its a job, for us its a hobby to master. AP would be wise to spend more time interacting with the community. even if he just personally posted in 1 thread a day, that would be incredible. it doesnt even always have to be a meaningful post, just let us know he is alive and interested in the thoughts of the community.

unless his boss says no. that Metrics guy seems to have AP locked in a room and chained to a computer.
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ArchangelLBC
03.26.2013 , 04:20 PM | #1716
Quote: Originally Posted by cashogy_reborn View Post
well i find it hard to believe that AP has been the sole force behind class balance for the entire life of the game. there had to have been a larger team at one point, and then all that scaling down bioware did back in spring '12 probably cut away all of his support.

what irks me the most is that we, the community, are more than willing to act as his "teammates" on design, balance, and implementation. and not only will we do it for free, but we PAY 15$ a month for the chance to do it!

bioware needs to help us help them. in any game, there is a tier of players that know the game better than the devs. its just the way things are; for them its a job, for us its a hobby to master. AP would be wise to spend more time interacting with the community. even if he just personally posted in 1 thread a day, that would be incredible. it doesnt even always have to be a meaningful post, just let us know he is alive and interested in the thoughts of the community.

unless his boss says no. that Metrics guy seems to have AP locked in a room and chained to a computer.
so much this
Quote: Originally Posted by biowareftw View Post
The next EA/Bioware employee that ever thinks adding more CC to this game is a good idea? Fire them. Don't give them 2 weeks notice. Have security escort them to the door. Thank you in advance.

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funkiestj
03.26.2013 , 04:27 PM | #1717
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
Remember that time when Metrics told Austin that Mercs/Mando's were fine and then, like months later, Metrics was all like "oops, I counted trash mobs as part of the Mando/Merc DPS #'s in Ops lol"...I bet they have a good laugh over that still. That was funny.
And for folks mocking the metrics, the above passage is the key. Using metrics is much better than not using metrics but the system is still vulnerable to garbage in -> garbage out.

E.g. for PvP, how about looking at class population and performance for rated warzones? How about for the top rated teams? If less than 1% of competitive matches between elite teams has a commando in it, that is an interesting metric -- it tells you that the best players in the game have decided that the commando is crap for competitive WZ.

I know BW likes to keep their cards close to their chest but they could do some open ended discussions and surveys where they ask players "what metrics do you think would be most valuable for balancing XYZ"?

Metrics are invaluable but you have to look at the right thing. This includes looking at different parts of the player population -- most notably looking at how classes play in the hands of the best players.

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Rouakh
03.26.2013 , 04:40 PM | #1718
Plaing merc in 50 lvl wz. And yeah, he can't do anything about allmost all classes. And if you use mostly middle skill tree so you are done for sure. Also it VERY many smashers and maradeurs in pvp.
I wonder if BioWare even looks whats happening in pvp zone. Merc and commando supposed to be dmg, but real dmg is Powertechs and Vanguards and their "brothers" just nothing. Simple as that.

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cashogy_reborn
03.26.2013 , 04:48 PM | #1719
Mercenary may be able to match Powertech damage in 2.0 unless things change. both Powertech DPS trees got gutted
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Bluntron
03.26.2013 , 08:59 PM | #1720
Still keeping my merc Pyrotech. Ill just improvise like what I have been doing this whole time playing my merc.