PTS Closing? What happened to Merc/Mando changes Eric Musco??????

HA! Next time the PTS comes up, they'll still be trying to fix everything that's still broken.

Not sure I want to play a game where they've gone from "This is all for you! We do this for YOU!" (the pre-launch stuff from Dr. Ray), and have mysteriously replaced that with "We don't care if you like it or not. It's how things will be. Go ahead, cancel your sub. You already paid us for the expansion".

I don't think the game will survive another exodus.

I'm not interested in a semantics argument, but getting off that burst two GCDs quicker is useful in PvP. That's the last I'm going to say about it. If the game gets you this riled up, it might be best to take a step back for a bit. I'm sorry if that's intrusive. Cheers, I'm done with thread.

Again, its the difference of about 1k damage (if it crits) if you cast at the same time pre/post tweak. I can agree that an extra 1k is useful, if not exactly game changing. But you don't want to talk semantics.

Many people playing mercs/commandos have been agitated by the stupid design decisions taken over the last year, I'm hardly alone in that, and I'm certainly not going to apologise for pointing out that the stupidity is still merrily flowing.

You may be surprised how little the percent of the population of swtor is that actually feels negatively about the merc changes, let alone will unsub because of the. The same people making even more noise than before is not fooling anyone. You represent about .0005% of the swtor community. Merc DPS got a buff and you're complaining, telling people they suck at their job. If you ran any part of this game I doubt there would even be a game to unsub from.

Attacking another forumer is against the Code of Conduct. Attacking a developer is absolutely absurd. I would be eagerly awaiting an explaination of your logic if there was any logic to explain.

agreed not just for this class but all of them in general. but then again playing multiple mmo's haters will always find a way to hate anything even if for instance they made mando/mercs lvl 60 and gave them an insta death button or gave sages a spirit bomb (notice the comedic reference) that insta killed everything they thought with their mind they wanted dead and then some.

Heh, this thread has gotten a bit heated since the last I posted on it

Anyways, after I went to play Arsenal on live, to try and get a feel for what the changes will do for us, I think the best way to explain to buff is this: It gives us more of a bite to our bark (making the whole mercenary slogan of having the best defence in the galaxy because of our amazing offence actually true anyone remember that?), but I'm not sure if it will get us into rateds. In 2.0, snipers are going to be THE go-to class for ranged dps in rateds, there's really no doubt about that. Now, I'm not trying to condemn us or anything, but I'm just stating that we still don't really bring anything that a rated team can use. Yes, we have Electo Net, but with it's 90s CD, I can't see how one would justify bringing a merc for that and that only.

On a brighter note, the change to Tracer Missile is great, and will help out quite a bit imo. If you have a smasher on you, you can root them with Rocket Punch, throw Explosive Dart on them, move away, cast TM then hit them with a fully buffed HSM. That should take a decent amount of health away from them, and it's definatley better than what we have on live. The other survivability additions, such as Hydraulic Override and having Kolto Missile as a baseline should help us in staying away from our opponents, where as on live, all we can really do stun or knockback then run away.

Like I said before though, I don't know if it'll get us into ranked. But I don't want to make any quick judgements until we see how this all translates when 2.0 goes live. These changes are a big help, but I hope the devs don't just throw in the towel with mercs and call it a day (which I don't think they will). Overall, I'm very happy with the buff we've been given. A buff! The first actual solid, decent, not-a-nerf-in-disguise buff

I'd wager that the percentage of population of swtor that gives a stuff about the changes is probably close to the percentage of mercs/commandos who have the ability and inclination to run ranked warzones. Probably a small number, I agree. I suspect it doesn't include you.

As for your last sentence, I strongly suggest you not attack anyone then.

Perfectly ok to call changes idiotic or stupid though. Because, you know, they are. Run along now.

Rather nice? It's rather nice in the sense that it wasn't a nerf. It was rather nice in that it's a minor QoL buff in PVE, but minor PVP applications aside it's not exactly what I'd call a nice buff. It certainly won't make us ranked viable, and until we are it doesn't matter what else they do to us in PVP.


The reason you can succeed in half warhero half recruit isn't evidence that half the merc players are bad. It's evidence that half of ALL players are bad. And they are. On both merc as well as every other class.

Also I dunno what you mean about "fixed" in PVE. This didn't really effect our PVE ammo management, which was the main PVE complaint by people. It's a nice QoL thing like I said as far as armor debuff management, but otherwise there was no real PVE change here. Or at least that's how it looks on paper MAYBE SOME TESTING WOULD PROVE I'M WRONG!

The powertech speed boost ability? You mean Hydraulic Overrides? Yeah we already are getting that in 2.0. It doesn't provide interrupt immunity (which btw what do you mean interrupt immunity isn't a way to help PVP without changing PVE? Interrupt immunity would do NOTHING big in PVE. The bosses aren't falling over themselves to interrupt us).

Look you have a perfectly viable question regarding Merc heals, but you're talking out of your butt on DPS and should probably just shut the hell up.

That fellating comment better not be aimed at me =P

It's a nice change. I dunno what you want me to say. I mostly PVE with my commando and I recommended they do something like this so it's nice to see they listened. I agree with you though. This is it. I was just so prepared for whatever they were going to do being as big a charlie foxtrot as what they did to gut assault. Anything not a nerf is a win for me at this point remember?

Can't blame you for being touchy though. Told you their playtesting was just to make sure we could still be free kills =P

Hey there cupcake, I was the one that said Austin sucked at his job and that was BEFORE the intended changes were posted. Anyway, this is akin to when they gave us an interrupt. It's definitely an improvement, but really it just brings the functionality of one our few bits of utility (in this case an armor debuff) up to the level of what similar classes were already doing, and helps our PVP burst marginally.

The rest of your thing is mostly an attack so all I got to say is "cool story bro", though I will note that last two times I called out the developers on being uncommunicative douchers we got a response. Correlation isn't causation, but still. Seems like the only time we can pry austin away from doing his job poorly is to tell him he does his job poorly. Seems is the key word, but my point is there.

/innocent

Not you personally no I know you mainly PvE with your 'mando, and as we're not in such a bad place there any improvements are just gravy. That's ok.

As you know, I do nothing but PvP with Zach. I've pretty much hit a wall with him with regards PvP viability.

I know you've heard it before, but for the peanut gallery, I steamroll pugs, I annihilate baddies, but we only have so many combinations of buttons to push, and at the highest end of PvP the class just doesn't cut it.

We got some fantastic changes from 2.0, but so did everyone else, and we literally haven't moved in the power differential. As far as I can see, with the testing I've done on the PTS, and looking at these minor tweaks now, we're still bottom of the heap when it comes to our PvP-potential ceiling. Assault viability actually got reduced, and all of the feedback on problems with gunnery interrupts, mobility and even the viability of some of the new changes like adrenaline rush was ignored.

But hey, some utterly mediocre mercs are happy that they can continue to steamroll baddies in standard warzones, so everything is just peachy.

I'd love to see how Austin (or any of the other devs) performs in a high end RWZ with a DPS merc. I expect it'd be hilarious. Of course that will never happen, as I also expect neither he, nor any of the other devs with input into these changes have ever set foot in them. They just get their little bunch of keyboard turning baddies together for internal testing, pew pew each other and derp out another 'balance' patch based on who sucked the most.

Oh and metrics. Don't forget the metrics.

You assume I was talking to you. You assume wrong.

Beggars can't be choosers.

Read what I said. There are a few good ways to help PvP Mercs, and this isn't one of them.

Is that how you define someone disagreeing with you?

No one said it better than you:

Additionally,
An "attack" on an opinion is not the same as an attack on another member.


In summary,
This probably would have been seen and answered had the mercenary/trooper players not exploded over the mere mention of an opinion on the class's subject differing from theirs. I do note that both of you have trooper avatars, and the one with characters in their signature only has a commando....