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Help with Xeno as a tank


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JimmyTheCannon
03.25.2013 , 01:50 PM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthFamine View Post
ok we did the hard mode last night.

We had a shadow tank and a guardian on the boss
we had out least laggy sage setup to pull the shadow.

thermal cast starts
guardian takes boss
shadow burns cds and stealth
sage pulls
shadow hides behind pillar
stacks wear off shadow takes boss back

we tried just using two tanks but found that we just needed a third one for add kiting duty on that second set of adds.

That was what worked for us.
It's doable with two, although three might make it easier. Were you doing 8-man or 16? In 8-man I wouldn't give up that DPS spot for a tank, but it's a bit more forgiving in 16.

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DarthFamine
03.25.2013 , 03:57 PM | #22
we did it in 16 man,

When we have tried it in the past in 8 man it was just too much for only two tanks to deal with .
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JimmyTheCannon
03.25.2013 , 04:04 PM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthFamine View Post
we did it in 16 man,

When we have tried it in the past in 8 man it was just too much for only two tanks to deal with .
Like I said, it's doable with 2, but only if the DPS and healers are on point, too. The tank with the debuff needs to be able to kite adds (we usually have the debuffed tank kiting one add at a time while the other tank kites the rest) and have the DPS burn the single add down before he takes another. In my experience, if the DPS are trying to AOE, they're going to pull off and people will die.

If they're single-target attacking the one add, someone will pull off, but it'll die before it reaches anyone, generally. Then the tank picks another one and does it again. By the time 2 of the adds are dead, the debuff should be gone anyways and it's safe to just tank the remaining two.

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Aurojiin
03.25.2013 , 04:38 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthFamine View Post
shadow burns cds and stealth
sage pulls
shadow hides behind pillar
stacks wear off shadow takes boss back
Whoa. There's a bit much redundancy there: namely everything apart from stealth. Dropping combat just breaks the cast outright... there's no point for defensives, no use for a pull, no reason to hide behind a pillar. With good reaction times the Shadow can even avoid getting any stacks and take the boss right back.
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DarthFamine
03.26.2013 , 05:03 AM | #25
Stealth alone wasn't working. perhaps its supposed to and bugged, but this did work.

The encounter seems better designed for the 16 man than the 8 man.
And that combo of thermal tolerance + the second set of adds is just over the top in the 8 man.
Too much for two tanks to do.
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moonshoter
03.26.2013 , 05:23 AM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by JimmyTheCannon View Post
Xeno SM can be single-tanked. His big hit is Thermal Tolerance Evaluation - judge for yourself whether you need a defensive cooldown for it. You probably won't, in SM. The adds are a bigger problem, but just keep them off the healers and DPS - they don't hit terribly hard in SM, again.

In HM you need 2 tanks and you need to switch off at Thermal Tolerance Evaluation. Additionally, whichever tank that debuff is going on will probably need one (or two) defensives for it - on my Juggernaut I save Invincible *and* Endure Pain for it. I believe Sith Assassins can use Force Shroud to reduce the number of stacks they get from it. If you're the other tank, taunt during the cast so that as soon as it's over the boss is on you. Whoever has that debuff CANNOT take damage - it massively increases the amount of damage you take, to the point where a hit will one-shot you (at 9 stacks, anyway; unsure about lower amounts).

What my guild does is, after taking down the core and going back on the boss, the active tank (i.e., the one without the debuff) will move to position his back towards the door so as to more easily grab the adds when they come out. AOE taunt them, hold them as best as you can, and have the other tank single-taunt one off and start kiting him. DPS should burn down that single add, when he's dead have that tank single-taunt another, rinse, repeat. This isn't really necessary for the first group of adds, but the second group hits like a handful of trucks and if the DPS or healers pull off they *will* die. The offtank's debuff should be running out during the adds phase; once it's gone, he can stop kiting and actually tank the adds he's pulling. I usually save my other defensive (Saber Ward) for when I'm main tank on the group of adds.

With the right amount of DPS you shouldn't get more than 2 groups of adds before hitting the Final Evaluation burn phase. On this phase he'll do large amounts of damage via the Generate Urgency cast. His aggro switches pretty randomly; I'd recommend having the tanks taunt off as needed to try to keep him focused on them. A well-geared tank can take two or three (I forget which) Generate Urgency casts, from full HP, before the other tank will need to taunt. Make sure both tanks, then, and as many other raid members as possible are topped up before his shield drops and this phase starts, as once he starts casting the healers are going to be playing catch-up. If you have any defensives left, this is a great time for them, but only use them after a taunt when you know he'll be attacking you for at least two casts.

If one of the tanks misses a taunt (and thus the other tank dies), he *will* end up attacking the DPS or healers at some point because you're only going to be able to hold him while he's taunted. Just burn through, there's no need for high-aggro moves at this point and you should just be throwing as much DPS and defensive attacks as possible.
you don't need two tanks in HM ether it depends what kind of tank you have to for HM the boss any way .. true you need two tank but if MT is a Assassin and know his stuff no switching , I have done it on my war in HM with a Assassin as MT all I had to do was pick off a add on the second set of adds while he kitted them .. ....

I only died on the boss because I taunted and should not have ...

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moonshoter
03.26.2013 , 05:25 AM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurojiin View Post
Whoa. There's a bit much redundancy there: namely everything apart from stealth. Dropping combat just breaks the cast outright... there's no point for defensives, no use for a pull, no reason to hide behind a pillar. With good reaction times the Shadow can even avoid getting any stacks and take the boss right back.
Assassin to ...

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JSunrider
03.26.2013 , 05:28 AM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthFamine View Post
The encounter seems better designed for the 16 man than the 8 man.
^^

I'm assuming Xeno was designed to be PUGed. It's very easy to PUG him on 16m HM; I think in all the weeks the event ran, I was only in one group that did not one-shot him on HM. In the early weeks of the event I was in groups dropping this guy with many people in columi and even some tionese. Once people started worrying about it and reading the forums, groups got way more restrictive about gear. I even got kicked from a group for refusing to get on vent to run him once (...???...). On 16m, all of that is just not necessary.

8m is a different story, but that's always been true in all ops. The dps budget is always tight on 8m. Mechanics weaknesses in the group are exposed much faster.