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Leveling Carebears Are to Blame!

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Leveling Carebears Are to Blame!
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ubermouth
03.25.2013 , 10:25 AM | #201
Quote: Originally Posted by HumanPirhana View Post
Let's just throw out the rest of your post, which I'm sure has already been picked apart by the other posters to this thread before me. This single sentence right here cuts to the core issue. Don't care about story? Let me make this as plain for you as I possibly can, since it seems to have somehow eluded you thusfar.

YOU'RE

PLAYING

THE

WRONG

GAME.

To borrow an analogy from one of the posters on page one of the thread, your playing this game and then complaining about it amounts to going into KFC and pitching a fit because you can't get donuts. Period. End of story. Deal with it or ****. BW loudly and repeatedly proclaimed story as the central element and theme of this game from the beginning. Don't like it? Prefer something else?

SEEK

IT

ELSEWHERE
This isn't a feud war over turf. Please don't tell people that they are unwelcome. We can play this game, and enjoy it, with a make-me-50 button. There is nothing wrong with that. Perhaps our vision lies elsewhere in the game: perhaps toward pvp, or towards fp/ops, or maybe for testing a class, whatever it is, there is equal right to enjoy these styles of playing as much as the leveling style. No one is asking to remove leveling. I've done it,
And now, a veteran, i'd like an OPTION to not have to level.

Why does an option threaten your existance?
Stop being dramatic and telling people they are wrong and bla blah blah. We are just talking about development of auto-tools that meet people's individual play preference at the moment. Whereas y'alls arguments keeps us from getting anywhere in this game. You are effectively tryin to censor people. people who want to inprove the game for themsevles, in ways that are avaialble to all, and in ways that do not take away from other people's freedom to select a play style.
I'm not advocating cheating, it using exploit after debs have taken a contrary position.
However, this exploit demonstrates that terr are a lot of people who would like to level faster. Yes, the intention is that we level for makeb, but the intention can change when people offer suggestions fir devs to make tools to improve the veteran's quality if life.
I'm talking about putting more options in the game.
You should want that basic right too

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HumanPirhana
03.25.2013 , 01:06 PM | #202
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackardin View Post
Once again. It is not all about you and your position in game or life. This, is initially correct, for your first or third run through (which, by your narrow response, is where your mind is focuses). However, from a perspective of long term players that may have 3 of the same story line already, or 8 story lines completed, it is a very different perspective.

Which is why many of us are asking that you MYOB, or trying diligently to explain to the lesser expanded players the reality of this situation that does not, in any way, affect your gameplay and really has nothing to do with you beyond granting a choice to not partake.

In short, this conversation seems to be well above your level of play.
How conveniantly condescending of you to make all kinds of assumptions about me and my "level of play" (Srsly *** does that even mean?) when the reality is you don't know a damn thing about me, how long I've played, how many toons I have and what levels they might be, all of which btw, isn't the least bit relevant to the issue at hand. My point is simple, straightforward, and not difficult to grasp. What you are attempting to do is to ignore or deflect the reality of it by casting vague unsubstantiaed aspersions at me and claiming some sort of superior viewpoint that you don't have the least bit of claim to. I don't really care how many times you've played through the game, as previously and repeatedly made clear for you, story is what BW has hitched their wagon to where this game is concerned, making your complaints as stated nonsensical and wholly without merit. Try again, and while you're at it, lose the superiority complex, it doesn't help your cause.
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Talon_strikes
03.25.2013 , 01:35 PM | #203
Quote: Originally Posted by soulseekerr View Post
By the way, t referring to any group of gamers as carebears is clearly insulting and trollish and you should feel bad.
I don't feel bad one bit. You know why? Because the complainers of this "exploit" were complaining about something that didn't affect them in any fashion.
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cidbahamut
03.25.2013 , 01:42 PM | #204
Quote: Originally Posted by HomicidalWhales View Post
I don't feel bad one bit. You know why? Because the complainers of this "exploit" were complaining about something that didn't affect them in any fashion.
Not 100% accurate. More people leveling through content normally means a higher likelihood of people stopping in at the GTN to buy gear which the carebears might be selling. It's indirect, but it does affect them to some degree.

I'm still on board with the whole "make me max level" button for folks who just want to PvP.

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Themanthatisi
03.25.2013 , 01:43 PM | #205
Quote: Originally Posted by AlrikFassbauer View Post
So you belong to this crowd of "OMG, how cool it was if this SP game was MP, too !!!111eleven" people ?

They've been ruining my SP games experience for 10 years now.

Thank you very much for destroying gaming for me.
Yes, they are the loudest bunch too... The list of great single player games, ruined by people demanding multiplayer features is long enough to write a book. The single player experience is lessened in favor of catering to these whiners. Games like COD is a perfect example of this, but the list is long... Many great games i no longer play due to lackluster single play experience.

If I want to play with other humans, I will leave the house and not play a video game.

However, the people making the games are just as much at fault for caving in...

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HumanPirhana
03.25.2013 , 01:48 PM | #206
Quote: Originally Posted by ubermouth View Post
This isn't a feud war over turf. Really? In a thread who's title is Leveling Carebears are to blame! Please. I didn't pick that thread title, the OP did, so don't point the finger at me about turf wars. Please don't tell people that they are unwelcome. No where in my response did I tell the OP that he was unwelcome. I was making it explicitly clear that he was looking in the wrong place for what he wants. Those are two different thingsWe can play this game, and enjoy it, with a make-me-50 button. We could, in theory, play this game and enjoy it with veliceraptor mounts and fight flying sharks with lasers, that doesn't make it a good idea. Since BW hitched SWTOR to the story wagon, and 90 plus percent of the story takes place during leveling, not after, a make 50 button simply doesn't make sense for this game from that pov.There is nothing wrong with that. Perhaps our vision lies elsewhere in the game: perhaps toward pvp, or towards fp/ops, or maybe for testing a class, whatever it is, there is equal right to enjoy these styles of playing as much as the leveling style. No one is asking to remove leveling. I've done it,
And now, a veteran, i'd like an OPTION to not have to level. Strawman. None of this is relevant to the very simple straightforward point I was making in response to the OP's comment that he doesn't care about story. You have extrapolated a far larger more complex discussion that are you attempting to put words in my mouth with regards to and assign to me positions I haven't espoused.

Why does an option threaten your existance? It doesn't in the least. No idea where you got the notion it does.
Stop being dramatic and telling people they are wrong and bla blah blah. Literally laughs out loud. Seriously? RIGHT AFTER coming up with this gem about my existence being threatened, you're telling me not to be dramatic? Talk about the pot calling the kettle blackWe are just talking about development of auto-tools that meet people's individual play preference at the moment. Whereas y'alls arguments keeps us from getting anywhere in this game. *blinks* What arguements? Ohhh right, the ones I haven't made that you've assigned to me through Strawman.You are effectively tryin to censor people. people who want to inprove the game for themsevles, in ways that are avaialble to all, and in ways that do not take away from other people's freedom to select a play style. I refer you once again to the analogy of KFC and the donut. The OP openly and clearly stated that he does not care about story. I openly and clearly pointed out to him that on that basis, a game developed and designed FUNDAMENTALLY around story might not be the best place for him to seek his enjoyment. Wholesale discussions about playstyle, rights, liberties etc are not germaine to the point I was making, regardless of your attempts to tie them to it.
I'm not advocating cheating, it using exploit after debs have taken a contrary position.
However, this exploit demonstrates that terr are a lot of people who would like to level faster. Yes, the intention is that we level for makeb, but the intention can change when people offer suggestions fir devs to make tools to improve the veteran's quality if life.
I'm talking about putting more options in the game.
You should want that basic right too
Maybe I do but that's a seperate discussion, please don't conflate the two. The OP discussed other things more broadly in his post, those things I have no doubt have been bandied about extensively here by others, take it up with them. I made a single point, about a single statement. Nothing more, nothing less.
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PurpleLynx
03.25.2013 , 01:57 PM | #207
Quote: Originally Posted by HomicidalWhales View Post
I leveled my first toon doing PvE questing. I had fun, but hated the fact that the world around me felt dead and I rarely ran into anyone while questing. Second time, when I transferred to The Fatman in February, I stopped around the time I got to Tatooine because it got soooo boring. That's when I learned I loved PvP way more, but I eventually got my 2nd character to 50.

To me, PvP will always be better than PvE. So I'd rather have an auto-50 button so I can grind the hell out of Warzone with my arsenal of characters.
Then maybe this is not the game for you. This is NOT an endgame raiding game, this is a story driven game. Yes they have some end game, but if you are looking for raidfests or pvp, maybe you need to find a game that suits your taste better, instead of trying to get this game changed to that. PVP is not THAT big a deal here, and I doubt it will ever get the same dev time as PVE. And I hope your dream of autoclick 50's never happens, seems like a complete waste to me.

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HumanPirhana
03.25.2013 , 02:05 PM | #208
Quote: Originally Posted by PurpleLynx View Post
Then maybe this is not the game for you. This is NOT an endgame raiding game, this is a story driven game. Yes they have some end game, but if you are looking for raidfests or pvp, maybe you need to find a game that suits your taste better, instead of trying to get this game changed to that. PVP is not THAT big a deal here, and I doubt it will ever get the same dev time as PVE. And I hope your dream of autoclick 50's never happens, seems like a complete waste to me.
This is very nearly the (I thought) rather simple straightforward point I've been making, only to fall upon ears unwilling or uninterested in hearing it. The sig of another poster sums it up brilliantly and concisely I believe. Paraphrased to the best of my memory:

"If you find yourself constantly complaining of boredom and skipping ahead to page 895 of 900 page novels, maybe you should consider the idea that reading really isn't your thing."
Don't make me get all green perpendicular up in this beeotch.
Yeah.
I said it.

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Talon_strikes
03.25.2013 , 02:09 PM | #209
Quote: Originally Posted by PurpleLynx View Post
Then maybe this is not the game for you. This is NOT an endgame raiding game, this is a story driven game. Yes they have some end game, but if you are looking for raidfests or pvp, maybe you need to find a game that suits your taste better, instead of trying to get this game changed to that. PVP is not THAT big a deal here, and I doubt it will ever get the same dev time as PVE. And I hope your dream of autoclick 50's never happens, seems like a complete waste to me.
This game's "4th pillar" was abandoned a long time ago when many of the elder BioWare employees were either fired or just jumped ship (for whatever reasons they may be).

This game's focus seems to be now the Cartel Market while putting everything else in the backseat until further notice. If that is so, then I suggest they add an "auto-50 unlock" to the Market for those who don't want to grind their way to 50. Reading some of the responses in this thread, it seems like there are more people than I thought that would be open to such a suggestion. It doesn't affect the leveling carebears, and at the same time, us who believe that the real game begins at lv. 50 can focus on whatever we desire there—and maybe even go through the Story being a 50 just to get class buffs or whatever it may be that isn't offered outside the Story.

So really, an auto-50 level unlock wouldn't be a waste.
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03.25.2013 , 02:13 PM | #210
Quote: Originally Posted by ubermouth View Post
Doesn't matter why I'm here. I'm entitled to be here as much as you. Just because I don't hate a game doesn't mean I can't ask for QoL features.

As for the poster above, you resort to hyperbolic name calling just like all the other poor communicators.
Leveling your nth alt is not rewarding work. its not bratty to to ask for more ways to play the game in ways that are satisfying; do you work for no reward? I don't play to fulfill my sense of charity, I play for enjoyment, and I don't enjoy leveling anymore.
Learn to read criticism as a positive thing. It's how progress is made.
Why are you trying to deny skilled players the option to skip the leveling? I'm not trying to it from you. So step off you freedom snuffer.
I understand criticism, and I know this game isn't perfect, but if the game is so obviously different than what you want in a game, why ARE you here? I respect your decision to play, whatever, but you don't enjoy most of the game, all you wanna do is pvp and raids, but this game isn't built for it. They won't change the game to fit a minority, so you know that your wishes are not gonna get fulfilled. That's what confuses me about you and the OP. You hate the game, or at least 95% of it, so why waste your time?