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People selling items in General

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People selling items in General

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Andryah
03.22.2013 , 10:37 AM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Ceile View Post
That is true. Anything that the devs put in place would be circumvented.
However, what if most of the community purposely punished those that did do it. Just not buying from them would be a severe enough punishment. Once people realize that they can't sell anything by posting in general, they'll start posting in Trade.
Yeah, pretty much.

It came from that big game over ---------->

And we will never be able to get rid of it in the genre I don't think.

On a lighter note.... I read your thread title and I thought... "why is Ceile complaining that people sell things?... because that is what people generally do in MMOs"..... then I read the thread and see that you meant /General not "General" (as in generally). Which just goes to show that reading a thread is important, as is context.
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Astropuyo
03.22.2013 , 10:38 AM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Ceile View Post
I'm just posting this as something that I'd like to do to help out the average player.
I know that the people that post in the forums are anything but average. However, I do expect a large amount of people to read this.

Recently I have gotten tired of constantly seeing people posting in general about selling items or buying items.
I do not like this, and I doubt anyone else likes this because it makes it difficult to keep up a conversation or PUG a group, if you are being flooded with people buying or selling items.

I do not know a solution to all the problems.
So, I'm just suggesting an idea that would force people to sell in trade chat if they want people to buy their items.
My idea is that if you see anyone posting in general chat do not buy from them.
If it is something you want, ask them to use trade chat and then you would buy their items.
For the people that block trade chat, I ask that you create a new chat pane that only shows trade. This way you would not worry about trade chat blocking general and people would be able to sell items to you, where they otherwise wouldn't.

I believe this will work if enough people stop buying from sellers in general chat. I also believe this will fail if no one helps. So I ask that you help me make our community, and through it our gameplay, better.

That is all.
And you've not made use of Chat Tabs?

Why have all these fixes when you can fix it yourself.
I have tabs for all the channels. It works.

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Ceile
03.22.2013 , 10:41 AM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by TheBBP View Post
This is indeed a problem and IMHO it is outright disrespectful. By using the trade channel, you are not missing any potential customers. It is on by default so the only people that cannot see it are the people who are not interested in buying or selling wares from it and have elected to use the provided tools and turn it off.
Actually, you would be missing customers.
Some people still buy things, even though their trade chat is off.
I have bought many things when I wasn't looking for them.
Forcing the sellers into trade chat, would only solve one problem.
We also need to keep trade chat on. This way the sellers still get all of the customers they would normally get, and general chat gets less congested.

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Andryah
03.22.2013 , 10:41 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Astropuyo View Post
And you've not made use of Chat Tabs?

Why have all these fixes when you can fix it yourself.
I have tabs for all the channels. It works.
The point being made by the OP is that we should not have to turn off /general or put it on it's own tab to be ignored. General chat is for .... oddly enough... non-specific discussions in general.... much like this general forum tab this is posted in... NOT peoples personal sales channels.

It would be like random forum posters coming into general forum every 10 seconds and making a new thread about "WTS uber short shorts... Please post offer".

TL;DR: it destroys the purpose of the channel by spamming it into oblivion. It's bad enough in general as it is what with all the bacon discussions.
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TheBBP
03.22.2013 , 10:49 AM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Ceile View Post
Actually, you would be missing customers.
Some people still buy things, even though their trade chat is off.
I have bought many things when I wasn't looking for them.
Forcing the sellers into trade chat, would only solve one problem.
We also need to keep trade chat on. This way the sellers still get all of the customers they would normally get, and general chat gets less congested.
We don't NEED to keep trade chat on. It gets turned off so that we don't have to see trade spam. The sellers need to respect that and not flood general chat with their trade spam. Trade chat is there for that reason.
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Ceile
03.22.2013 , 10:52 AM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by TheBBP View Post
We don't NEED to keep trade chat on. It gets turned off so that we don't have to see trade spam. The sellers need to respect that and not flood general chat with their trade spam. Trade chat is there for that reason.
That's the issue. The sellers aren't respecting the other players. If people get mad at them, they don't care as long as they sell their items.
To solve this, we need to make the sellers respect us, or at the very least understand that if they post in general, they will not sell anything.
The only reason I'm asking for you to keep trade chat on is so that the sellers don't get the short end of the stick.
In every good trade, both sides lose something to gain something.
The normal players must deal with trade chat, either putting it in a new pane, or merging it in with a less used chat pane.
And the sellers must deal with only using trade chat.

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Jenovan
03.22.2013 , 10:56 AM | #17
The original Guild Wars had some sort of filtering such that anything with "WTS", "WTB", "WTT" (and probably some other keywords) posted into the general chat channel would automatically be shunted into the trade channel. Of course it's possible to circumvent this, but if the offending party gets too creative with his wording, s/he risks not being understood at a glance.

Disabling item links might help somewhat, but there are probably times when people in general chat might like to legitimately link things, too.
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mesosuchus
03.22.2013 , 10:57 AM | #18
Perhaps we are missing the point here? With the exception of people who want to trade mats for tier 27 modifications, a majority of the other people are trying to avoid the Bioware tax on the GTN (which can be severe on high ticket cartel items like the skill for example). If they removed it, (and why not...Does it serve any purpose to the economy), it would likely dramatically reduce the trade spam.

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Ceile
03.22.2013 , 11:00 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by mesosuchus View Post
Perhaps we are missing the point here? With the exception of people who want to trade mats for tier 27 modifications, a majority of the other people are trying to avoid the Bioware tax on the GTN (which can be severe on high ticket cartel items like the skill for example). If they removed it, (and why not...Does it serve any purpose to the economy), it would likely dramatically reduce the trade spam.
I think that is a large exception there.
I'd guess that 70-80% of all people selling items, on my server, are selling mods for mats or selling items that cannot be put on the GTN.
The GTN tax is important, but it's not the real issues here.
The real issue is that sellers are not courteous or respectful to the people in /General

EDIT: Responded before reading, I apologize

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Maraxuss
03.22.2013 , 11:03 AM | #20
I guess you would rather have the "Anal", "Jawa", or "Thunderfury" Spam as oppsed to legit sellers selling things? Ok more power to you.
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