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Ratajack
03.21.2013 , 12:16 PM | #601
Quote: Originally Posted by Lostpenguins View Post
What? So I also put my character ahead of my companion. Because I recognize that you and I both value our characters higher than our companions, I won't take things for my companion over your character.
We both put our characters ahead of our companions, I agree. Where our philosophies differ is in the fact that I do not put MY character ahead of YOUR companion, yet you put YOUR character ahead of MY companion.

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Lostpenguins
03.21.2013 , 12:16 PM | #602
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
You have the right to use in game tools, including the vote kick, for your own reasons. The point of my post was to point out that by attempting to vote kick each and every person who does not share your "right" view that your character trumps my companion, you are not "simply exercising your right not to play with that player". You have an option that will allow you to exercise that right, without attempting to punish the offender. What you are doing is attempting to punish that player. Let's call it for what it is, and not try to disguise it, that's all.
What is the option? 3 people leaving the group, reforming, and leaving that person out of the reque with us? How is that not punishment either under your terms? Tell me, what option allows 3 players to not have to play with that 4th person anymore that doesn't force the 3 to have to stay grouped with them, but doesn't come off as punishment to you?

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Lostpenguins
03.21.2013 , 12:18 PM | #603
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
We both put our characters ahead of our companions, I agree. Where our philosophies differ is in the fact that I do not put MY character ahead of YOUR companion, yet you put YOUR character ahead of MY companion.
I put character effort > companion effort. Your companion wasn't here and doesn't persist through the entire game, therefore their effort is already secondary as is their priority with loot.

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Ratajack
03.21.2013 , 12:25 PM | #604
Quote: Originally Posted by Lostpenguins View Post
What is the option? 3 people leaving the group, reforming, and leaving that person out of the reque with us? How is that not punishment either under your terms? Tell me, what option allows 3 players to not have to play with that 4th person anymore that doesn't force the 3 to have to stay grouped with them, but doesn't come off as punishment to you?
Is the fourth person removing you against your will? Is the fourth person insisting that you remain in the group? I don't think so in either case.

As I explained in an earlier post, since there is no cross server LFG tool, everyone in the group is on the same server. If you truly were "simply exercising your right not to play with that player" and not solely trying to punish that player or to punish that player in addition to exercising your right not to play with them, three players drop group. simple /invite Player A, /invite Player B and queue.

As I said, if you wish to attempt to punish the offender, that is your right. But at least have the stones to be honest about your intentions.

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Ratajack
03.21.2013 , 12:27 PM | #605
Quote: Originally Posted by Lostpenguins View Post
I put character effort > companion effort. Your companion wasn't here and doesn't persist through the entire game, therefore their effort is already secondary as is their priority with loot.
I put PLAYER effort=PLAYER effort. I make no distinction between character and companion when it comes to other PLAYERS. After all, it was the PLAYER with whom I was grouped.

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Lostpenguins
03.21.2013 , 12:28 PM | #606
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Is the fourth person removing you against your will? Is the fourth person insisting that you remain in the group? I don't think so in either case.

As I explained in an earlier post, since there is no cross server LFG tool, everyone in the group is on the same server. If you truly were "simply exercising your right not to play with that player" and not solely trying to punish that player or to punish that player in addition to exercising your right not to play with them, three players drop group. simple /invite Player A, /invite Player B and queue.

As I said, if you wish to attempt to punish the offender, that is your right. But at least have the stones to be honest about your intentions.
Wait, wait. So all 3 leaving the group and requeing and now the 4th person is stuck inside an empty group... plus the 3 people now have to wait because the first person to leave got a deserter debuff. All of that sounds like you want to punish the 3 people over the 1 person. So one person's rights are more important than 3 other people? Um, no.

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Lostpenguins
03.21.2013 , 12:30 PM | #607
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
I put PLAYER effort=PLAYER effort. I make no distinction between character and companion when it comes to other PLAYERS. After all, it was the PLAYER with whom I was grouped.
So that means everyone should roll need on everything because everything can be sold for credits. And why should one person's efforts be put to the side just because they want to vendor the item over someone else who could use it as an upgrade?

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Ratajack
03.21.2013 , 12:43 PM | #608
Quote: Originally Posted by Lostpenguins View Post
Wait, wait. So all 3 leaving the group and requeing and now the 4th person is stuck inside an empty group... plus the 3 people now have to wait because the first person to leave got a deserter debuff. All of that sounds like you want to punish the 3 people over the 1 person. So one person's rights are more important than 3 other people? Um, no.
I never said you HAD to leave group. You asked what other option existed that would enable you and possibly two other members of the group to exercise your right not to have to play with someone who does share your views. I pointed out that an option existed that enabled you to exactly that and explained what that option was. Whether or not you choose to take that option is entirely up to you. I'm just saying that if you choose not to take that option, then don't attempt to pull the wool over my eyes by claiming that all you (either singly or with others) are doing is exercising your right(s) not to have to play with someone who does not share your views.

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scraycroft
03.21.2013 , 12:45 PM | #609
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Did you solo the bosses that dropped the scattergun and tanking legs? I'm betting you didn't. If you didn't, then everyone who participated in the fight has the right to roll on the loot dropped.

Every player in the group is an "actual real person" and a player's companions are an integral part of the game and as important as their character. When you're not in a group, do you play without your companion or do you use your companion for extra DPS, tanking or heals?

Did your companion help them down the boss? No, so he shouldn't get the gear unless no one else needs it.
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They added alacrity to the gear so you can taunt things faster and accuracy is there so the fast taunts don't miss, fly off and taunt a tree or something.

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Lostpenguins
03.21.2013 , 12:47 PM | #610
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
I never said you HAD to leave group. You asked what other option existed that would enable you and possibly two other members of the group to exercise your right not to have to play with someone who does share your views. I pointed out that an option existed that enabled you to exactly that and explained what that option was. Whether or not you choose to take that option is entirely up to you. I'm just saying that if you choose not to take that option, then don't attempt to pull the wool over my eyes by claiming that all you (either singly or with others) are doing is exercising your right(s) not to have to play with someone who does not share your views.
There's an option for people who want to loot for companions too - they can spam in general chat looking for like-minded people. They can announce their intentions beforehand to the group and if anyone has a problem, they can leave the group until the find a group where the people are okay with it. That's pretty courteous of them? If they willingly know they have behavior that rubs most people the wrong way so they make sure not to step on anyone's toes. They can choose not to group.

Oh, don't like those options? I guess they're all just selfish, ninja-looters who are out to get theirs and step on everyone else.

Please... stop labeling people just because YOU view it was punishment.