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Selecting need for loot


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cidbahamut
03.20.2013 , 12:03 PM | #481
Quote: Originally Posted by Lostpenguins View Post
Okay, you're entitled to your opinion. Good luck with that buddy. I think you and I are done discussing as you feel you're right and I feel I'm right. Luckily, the majority sides with me so I don't have to lose out on drop rolls to someone who think his companion's gear is important... lol.
And why shouldn't gearing one's companion be considered important if one places value on it?

Why should your desire to gear your character supercede my desire to gear my companion?

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Paltan
03.20.2013 , 12:04 PM | #482
Quote: Originally Posted by Jonrobbie View Post
Came across two flashpoints yesterday where I was verbally talked down to by a gamer each time for winning loot for my companion. I dont understand the big deal. Why the sense of entitlement over another gamer? If I see an item that would be needed for my companion to equip im going to roll for it. If someone else wins it, cool, good for them as far as im concerned. If i win it f, suddenly there are problems.
First flashpoint came across an item, i passed as neither i nor my companions needed it, Second one selected need for my tank. Got it. Third one, great for my tank, selected need, got it again. Then got told I was scum and voted off.
Second one, passed on two items, third one great for my tank, selected need and was told I had no right if it was for my companion and that I cant select need. I say why not? Out of 13 loot drops in that flashpoint i chose need on 2. How is that greedy?

As far as im concerned, im a paid subscriber. Why should some other gamer dictate to me what I can or cannot do to benefit them? If someone wants help on a mission or flashpoint and asks me, ill have no problem helping them but if i see something my tank needs, im selecting need. Im certainly not going to cry over it if someone else wins it. This sense of entitlement over someone else is baffling. There is no rulebook in the game that states that you cant do it and everyone who rolls for it has an equal chance
Seriously, I hope that people will do that to you, your companion is totally secondary, main character should have priorities and it's common sense but hey there is always a selfish person thinking me, me, me. Anyway I will have boot you on the first need for your Character, if another player needed for his main toon!
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Elyssandra
03.20.2013 , 12:05 PM | #483
Quote: Originally Posted by cidbahamut View Post
Why should your desire to gear your character supercede my desire to gear my companion?
Because dear sir... Companions, unlike corporations, aren't people!

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cidbahamut
03.20.2013 , 12:07 PM | #484
Quote: Originally Posted by Elyssandra View Post
Because dear sir... Companions, unlike corporations, aren't people!
That's so asinine that I don't know what to say.

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Vandicus
03.20.2013 , 12:08 PM | #485
Quote: Originally Posted by cidbahamut View Post
And why shouldn't gearing one's companion be considered important if one places value on it?

Why should your desire to gear your character supercede my desire to gear my companion?
Fine for you to think that way. Its not fine to force people to play with you though, and most people simply don't want to play with people who won't follow the social convention, so deal with the fact that most groups will vote to kick.
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ZionHalcyon
03.20.2013 , 12:15 PM | #486
Quote: Originally Posted by cidbahamut View Post
That's so asinine that I don't know what to say.
Asinine is your assertion that you should be able to need roll on comps. Asinine and selfish.

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Lostpenguins
03.20.2013 , 12:15 PM | #487
Quote: Originally Posted by cidbahamut View Post
And why shouldn't gearing one's companion be considered important if one places value on it?

Why should your desire to gear your character supercede my desire to gear my companion?
I've already explained this countless times in this thread.

Basically, your companion is for solo play but you didn't obtain the loot from solo play. Your companion's gear cannot help the group in the Flashpoint therefore upgrading said gear for your companion only benefits you.

I find it sort of a selfish point to take the gear for solo play when someone could use it for all facets of the game: solo play and group play. Therefore, because your companion cannot function in all aspects of the game, they get secondary priority on loot versus someone else who can use the gear all of the time.

That's why I feel my needs are greater - because the gear will be used all of the time. If the group did another flashpoint all together afterwards, having the gear go to someone's toon will show in the group with either more dps, better damage reductions, or better healing. However if you took that loot away from someone to give to your companion... are you seeing any improvement in the groups performance? Of course not... because taking it for your companion only benefits you and no one else.

And please, don't try to argue that .02% damage reduction isn't noticeable therefore my point isn't valid... the spirit of the statement still holds true and there is a benefit to the group if no one is taking for their companion as a priority. If you really want, say there's a group of 4 people who, after 10 runs, have 0 upgrades because every upgrade for their toon has gone to upgrading someone else's companion. That group, after 10 runs, performs just as poorly as it did before, while the other group, who focused on gearing your toon as a priority, now have several upgrades to help them through the FP's and probably some gear for their companions.

Do you not see the benefit to putting companions secondary at that point? Do you not see how "all the time" > "some of the time"?

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RLWalker
03.20.2013 , 12:17 PM | #488
Quote: Originally Posted by BaronV View Post
This only works if everybody is on the same page and has the same understanding...
Actually it's OK if people have a different understanding. The backup plan is the chat window.

Quote: Originally Posted by BaronV View Post
the only real difference to the social convention is that it is entirely up to the person who wins the need roll to decide who is "deserving" or not (assuming everyone chose need)
Yes! Precisely! There are so many different wants and needs in this game that trying to enumerate and order all of them is a waste of time. I dislike if people hit need for something they are going to sell but I'm not going to make a big deal out of it. Otherwise their reason is as good as mine. If I lose a roll I can whisper them and ask for the item but again it's not a big deal either way. Just for the record I very very rarely hit need. SWTOR doesn't track this but my main WoW character (no longer play WoW) shows 264 need rolls and 5571 greed rolls (pass is not counted but this would be even more than greed). So in all the thousands and thousands of times I could have rolled need, it only happened 264 times. Not everyone that hits need is an evil person.

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Elyssandra
03.20.2013 , 12:18 PM | #489
Quote: Originally Posted by cidbahamut View Post
That's so asinine that I don't know what to say.
Awww....
I'm crushed...

I was going for witty
And ended up being called asinine by the latin quoting resident wise man (oh I'll have you know those quotes are appropriate and relevant all ye who say otherwise)

I'll just go cry in a corner now.

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RLWalker
03.20.2013 , 12:23 PM | #490
Quote: Originally Posted by Elyssandra View Post
You mean preconceptions like what the button labels mean? lol
Precisely. You have already assigned meaning to the buttons based on the label text.

Contrary to what most people seem to think, I want/need very little.