Selecting need for loot

Should the goal of this discussion not be to develop a set of rules that makes looting easy and conflict free?

It seems many people are here just to have an argument or vent their frustration at losing a roll.

No argument here... WoW's group finder made it clear that jerks make jerks, make jerks, make jerks.

I disagree here. since everyone has said over and over again just say something and its fine. Adhere to the social norm and if you need to break it just say so and your reason. It's socially accepted to stand in line at the post office... but if a person with a need, needs to step in front of me and asks me then I, and most people will have no problem with that social norm being broken. that is what the people in this thread are saying. There is nothing wrong with rolling need for a companion. The problem is rolling need for a companion over another player with an air of entitlement that you and your needs are more important than anyone else.
I'm starting to agree with others here... you are just being contrary for no reason.

Using the "right" to click need is a right you seen to have the need to fight for even when the offender does not inform the group that this is their intent.

But using the "right" to kick someone makes a group a bunch of jerks to you. Even if that group tells the offender outright that this is the penalty for their actions.

No. I'm not trying to put all the blame on one side. I'm trying to prevent all the blame being put upon the OP when NEITHER of the two groups took the time to establish ground rules. This is why I've said multiple times the GROUP should take the time to set ground rules before the run starts, not just the person who might roll need for his companion or the person who assumes that 'social convention" will be the rule. You cannot avoid the blame by claiming that someone didn't take action when you could have taken action yourself.

The set of rules has been clearly articulated by everyone but five people across 43 pages.

No one is forcing them, but they're doing it on an assumption for mutual benefit and group harmony in accordance with standard MMO rules of etiquette. There is no exploit that the player is making my rolling need on anything. It's not a ban-able offense. But it's a MMO/social taboo.

Why are you fighting it so hard? No one is disagreeing with you and saying that it's an exploit. However, all of us arguing with you agree that it comes off as selfish or rude to do so and most people in here would tell the person to not do that or kick them if they didn't comply.

So what's the point here that you're making? I think we're on willing to concede that you have a right to it. But, just as in real life, "the right" doesn't make you "right". It means you're not getting banned from the game. That's all. But you're hurting your social standing in this game. That's it.

You're right, let's just take the roll options out and have the game auto roll need every-time a loot piece drops

Its not about how the person uses it - its about how the person OBTAINS it!!

When you click need for your comp - knowing full well that the social convention is need for your character only; then you are STEALING the item. You are denying your other group members a fair chance at gaining the item.

If you clicked need after asking "Can I take this item for my comp?' and people said "sure" then that is perfectly fine.

The point is when you click Need - You automatically deny everyone who clicked Greed the chance to get the item So if you click need when others thought you would chose greed (since you dont need that loot for your own char) you are denying them their fair chance getting the item.

The pro "need whenever i please" people keep trying to spin this as saying that people are telling them they have no right to the loot if they cant use it. that is completely false. They have a right to an equal chance to the loot. not a right to ninja-grab it.

Forget about the names on the buttons. This is about a fair and efficient method of distributing loot in a PUG situation. If hitting need leads to less conflicts then it should be done, regardless of what reason you have for wanting the loot.

I guess you have a hard time understanding that the OP is not "cheating" anyone out of loot. The OP is not declaring that you cannot roll need since it is an upgrade for his companion. You CHOSE to roll need knowing that if anyone chose to roll need after you, their need roll would trump your greed roll. That does not mean that the OP "cheated" you. He chose to exercise his option to roll need and you chose not to exercise your option to roll need. You both had the same opportunity to roll need. No one tried to take your option to roll need away.

The group does have the option to attempt to vote kick a player. I have the option to vote no if I'm in a group that tries to vote kick someone for exercising their option to roll need, and I exercise that option by voting no every time. You have the option to add the offending player to your ignore list and no one will take that option away from you.

errr what do you do with the extra helixes then?