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Selecting need for loot


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cidbahamut
03.20.2013 , 08:49 AM | #371
Quote: Originally Posted by Risq View Post
Hmmm, that's not what I get I guess.

If you're character is there, and is healing as a Commando for example, and you see some gear that drops with Cunning on it. You can't immediately put it on and heal better to continue helping the group. At best you suddenly heal worse.

But if you have a healing Companion that uses it "they" might heal better.
Here's the other side of that scenario:
I run through a flashpoint on my Sorc and no Sorc gear drops. There's some sweet gear upgrades for Khem that drop, but I'm not allowed to take them so I walk away from the flashpoint completely empty-handed.

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SWGEvictee
03.20.2013 , 08:51 AM | #372
Quote: Originally Posted by ZionHalcyon View Post
Nice try but no. There's no rationalizing it, even if you try to globalize it and then follow it up with a straw man argument.
Attempt to deny all you want. Telling one person he is wrong for doin exactly what everyone else is while claiming everyone else is ok is utter hypocrisy.

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jsmithh
03.20.2013 , 08:51 AM | #373
Why is greed there in the 1st place anyway ? I mean, wouldn't it better if the dropped item would be greyed out if the main stat doesn't correspond to your character ? Sure, you might want to sell it and make money but there are already tons of ways to make money already.......
Not trying to be a douche, just asking what would be the advantages/disadvantages of such a system.

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Jedlosson
03.20.2013 , 08:54 AM | #374
How hard can this be to understand?

If your character needs it, select NEED
If your companion needs it or you intend to vendor the item, select GREED
If you do not want the item to spam your inventory, select PASS

If you do not accept this social convention, good luck finding a group after a while, you are gonna be in most peoples' ignore list.

There is one way around it however: If you see an item you want for your companion, you can ask if you can select NEED for this particular item. If other people agree with it, then by all means, select need.

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Emencie
03.20.2013 , 08:56 AM | #375
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Here is the original post.



If you notice in the first group, the OP passed on the first drop, rolled need on the second and third. After rolling need on the third item he was called scum and vote kicked. Nowhere does it say that the group said a word to him about "social convention" after he rolled need on the second drop-the first time he rolled need. It also does not say that he was told why he was called scum and vote kicked. Did anyone even bother to tell him about "social convention". From reading the original post, it does not appear that anyone did. From reading the post, it appears that the first time anyone even said a word about "social convention" was in the second instance AFTER he had rolled need on the THIRD drop, having passed on the first two drops.

If no one in the first group explained the "social convention", then how can you assume that the OP knew about it in the second group? All the OP knows is that he was called scum and vote kicked. He does not know the reason he was called scum and vote kicked.

Notice also that the OP is not rolling need on everything, only those items that are an upgrade for his companions, an extension of his character and an integral part of the game.

Had someone explained the "social convention" before the first or even the second run began, the drama could have been avoided.
You circumvented all my questions there getting caught on the semantics of one line I typed "The OP did state that the first group told him not to do it and why, then he did it again and was kicked." I meant the second group, my assumption on the first was because like most groups do, they gave the OP 2 chances.
Quote: Originally Posted by Jonrobbie View Post
Second one, passed on two items, third one great for my tank, selected need and was told I had no right if it was for my companion and that I cant select need. I say why not?
My point was that in the second FP group the OP did know exactly what he was doing. Knew it was against the grain to do such a thing and was even told after he did it once. It seems you agree with that. My point was that (and I thought I summed it up pretty good at first.)

The OP and anyone reading this thread at this point knows the social convention. While you may argue that it's not fair to assume everyone knows it right off. It is also completely arguable that everyone should know it (though incorrect) because this has been an MMO standard for some time. But either way once the OP was told, he now knows the social standard and is choosing to ignore it for personal gain right?

Not only that. but by acknowledging that this is how the social standard works, and confirming it in a group that abides by these standards. And then going against it the OP or anyone who uses it is able to gain a 100% chance on loot knowing well that they are cheating the other players out of the loot right?

Considering that my question was, do you think the OP and anyone else should abide by the community standards?

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ZionHalcyon
03.20.2013 , 08:59 AM | #376
Quote: Originally Posted by SWGEvictee View Post
Attempt to deny all you want. Telling one person he is wrong for doin exactly what everyone else is while claiming everyone else is ok is utter hypocrisy.
You are free to share your opinion. We are free to say you are a jerk for support needing on items for your comp when there are other people in your group who need it for their main toons.

What's hypocritical is you having a fit over people calling you out on that yet you want to be able to express your own asinine opinion with no social repercussion whatsoever.

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SWGEvictee
03.20.2013 , 09:02 AM | #377
Quote: Originally Posted by Jedlosson View Post
How hard can this be to understand?

If your character needs it, select NEED
If your companion needs it or you intend to vendor the item, select GREED
If you do not want the item to spam your inventory, select PASS

If you do not accept this social convention, good luck finding a group after a while, you are gonna be in most peoples' ignore list.
The fact that you are putting placing the item on a companion thereby benefiting my ability to proceed through leveling content at the same level as someone who merely wants to vendor it off.

Until end game content is reached player character and companions should take precedence over vendoring off an item.

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Lostpenguins
03.20.2013 , 09:07 AM | #378
Quote: Originally Posted by SWGEvictee View Post
The fact that you are putting placing the item on a companion thereby benefiting my ability to proceed through leveling content at the same level as someone who merely wants to vendor it off.

Until end game content is reached player character and companions should take precedence over vendoring off an item.
Yes, because with vendoring you get credits. Credits you can then go buy better mods and such from the GTN. Mods that can benefit your actual toon and not your companion so this will help you ALL the time unlike your companion who only helps you through part of the game.

Therefore, by this logic, vendoring is better than giving to your companions!

...

It doesn't matter if it benefits you better with leveling. Your companion did nothing in the flashpoint, therefore your companion gets no priority on loot. I just find it funny that you want to take group-earned loot, take it, and use it in a way that only benefits solo play. Rather silly.

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TUXs
03.20.2013 , 09:08 AM | #379
Quote: Originally Posted by Jonrobbie View Post
Came across two flashpoints yesterday where I was verbally talked down to by a gamer each time for winning loot for my companion. I dont understand the big deal. Why the sense of entitlement over another gamer? If I see an item that would be needed for my companion to equip im going to roll for it. If someone else wins it, cool, good for them as far as im concerned. If i win it f, suddenly there are problems.
First flashpoint came across an item, i passed as neither i nor my companions needed it, Second one selected need for my tank. Got it. Third one, great for my tank, selected need, got it again. Then got told I was scum and voted off.
Second one, passed on two items, third one great for my tank, selected need and was told I had no right if it was for my companion and that I cant select need. I say why not? Out of 13 loot drops in that flashpoint i chose need on 2. How is that greedy?

As far as im concerned, im a paid subscriber. Why should some other gamer dictate to me what I can or cannot do to benefit them? If someone wants help on a mission or flashpoint and asks me, ill have no problem helping them but if i see something my tank needs, im selecting need. Im certainly not going to cry over it if someone else wins it. This sense of entitlement over someone else is baffling. There is no rulebook in the game that states that you cant do it and everyone who rolls for it has an equal chance
People like you are why they added the vote to kick option I support any group who opts to use it on you.
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SWGEvictee
03.20.2013 , 09:13 AM | #380
Quote: Originally Posted by ZionHalcyon View Post
You are free to share your opinion. We are free to say you are a jerk for support needing on items for your comp when there are other people in your group who need it for their main toons.

What's hypocritical is you having a fit over people calling you out on that yet you want to be able to express your own asinine opinion with no social repercussion whatsoever.
so what I'm taking from all this is that if I dare to hold a differing opinion I am a jerk and should merely sit quietly and accept uncivil behavior toward me even though I did not attack anyone with my initial statements.

And I am a hypocrit for being upset about you being upset that I dare to hold a differing opinion.

Really?