A must-read for the community.

That is likely. Perhaps like SWTOR, there will be a large number of people who try the game. The proof of the pudding will be in the number who stay. I am not sure how the trolling effects people who are playing a game and forming their own opinion through their experiences as to whether they like it or not and whether it is a good quality game that they enjoy playing.

I don't think soo tbh , at least not as bad as this game was. Swtor was target pre launch for various reasons: It was hyped to extremes by both the players and the companies, People were disgruntled with the shutdown of SWG, Its star wars a classic franchise that is appreaciated by gamers and non-gamers alike , thus has wider audience than TES therefore more "trolls".

I can agree.

I mean im not okay with all the cash stuff in SWTOR or the lack in fixin bugs ( some lightsabers from cashhop or reputaion still missing a blade and my saber marshal robe clips alot when moving and so on )...

on the other hand, even if i hate long walking / driving .. the maps in swtor are lovely detailed... the npcs are voiced and the cutscenes are awesome...

of course there is alot things that could be improoved ( real space combat )...but the base of the game is awesome...
the game is ( only ) 3 years old .. other games are way older.... and feel smaller...


what i wonder is... why are there so many people who make "Anti-SWTOR" grouos , videos , organisations and even posts here on forums?

do they get paid by Blizzard to destroy SWTOR? i know there are rumors that say so...
Why cant the haters just shut their mouth?
I mean i hate WOW .. and i almost NEVER mention it... i dont go to their forums and post **** about the game, i dont make anti video just to .. whatever..

SWTOR has a great potential...it is nice how it is now.. and i hope the ewesomeness will increase in the future

Were you not here in the forums for the first 6 months after launch?

I ask because the article is very reflective of the wide ranging bashing of the game soon after launch in the internet in general and here on the fourms is was just as bad, and it lingered for months and months until the forum mods took a hammer to the forums last summer.

The forums today are much more sedate... but still we get obvious hyperbole and negative rhetoric thrown at the game every day in the forums here. Credit to those that post objective and discussable critique of the game, but even in those cases, it does not take long before the hyperbolic drive kicks in with a minority of players who sweep ind and try to derail constructive discussions (negative or positive, though they are more quick to jump on anyon who dares to say anything positive about the game).

Yes the article is over a year old. But it's still relevant to a particular segment of internet personality, and we still see it here every week. The topic of choice for rant and hyperbolic flight is different every week, but the pattern remains.

They are internet bullies. Nothing more, nothing less. There is actually a psych profile for this.

Do companies guerilla market on each other? Sure. But the approach would be more sophisticated and professional then just spraying venom all over a game forum. It's counter productive to try to spread competitive hate. Competitive love works much much better... so they concentrate on taking your attention off competition and on their franchises.... via attraction rather then repulsion methods. Internet bullying does not acheive this..... so when you see it... it's just the internet version of playground bullying.

People are entitled to demand things.
Game companies are businesses.
Its economics.

Right now the demand for this game is very low. Not liking it is a very good reason to ask for change. From both the players perspective and EA's perspective.

You can bet your bottom dollar they have metrics they are reading right now to see what the people who play this game want. The people who play it now though are mostly collectors and people who like measuring their wallets against others. This is why most of what you are being served to supply your demand is needless fluff from cartel store packs. The entire expansion was fluff to make way for double xp. An easy game for an easy to please audience with a very small community of cash cows there for the milking.


This is what you have, and of course it makes the internet angry. The internet gets angrier for less.

This has always been a two way street to me. The SWTOR community has ALWAYS been an absolutely TERRIBLE one. Even before the game launched, these forums were a cesspool, filled with endless amounts of whining about things like Friday Updates not being amazingly epic, and BW not announcing the release date.

However, BioWare exacerbated the community by being overly vague and cryptic about major details regarding the game, and then post-launch, making some seriously strange and unusual design decisions that just weren't good.

Ilum comes to mind. The overall canned feel of the worlds and very limited playable races being another. I feel like BW always does just enough to aggravate its customers, even though it is certainly not intentional. They just make a lot of poor decisions. (Remember Jedi Wizard?)

So, even though the community is quite crappy, BW often makes it worse, thereby making a crappy community even crappier. (Overmoderation was a BIG, BIG contributor to fanning the flames of hostility.)

It was a good article. I have to agree for the most part.

I played Aion this weekend, and going from that to SWTOR was a great experience. SWTOR is way more smother. Better graphics and all together a better game. Don't get me wrong, Aion has more stuff, but it's been out longer. It' s a good game, but in terms of production values there is no comparison.

I don't think soo tbh , at least not as bad as this game was. Swtor was target pre launch for various reasons: It was hyped to extremes by both the players and the companies, People were disgruntled with the shutdown of SWG, Its star wars a classic franchise that is appreaciated by gamers and non-gamers alike , thus has wider audience than TES therefore more "trolls".

Article was overly simplistic, and seemed to show a lack of understanding of the actual flaws and merits of SWTOR.

SWTOR does some things very well. The stories in particular are great, and the voice acting for almost all missions is a big step forward for immersion. I relate to my characters in SWTOR more than in any other game I've played.

However, SWTOR does some things very, very poorly.

It is not anti-Bioware to point out that the mechanics are overly simplistic, and far below industry standard for the past few years.

It is not mindless hate to point out that we still have lower resolution textures on characters than were advertised.

It is not trolling to point out that major bugs, like the infuriating mouse twitch bug, are still not fixed a year after release despite being acknowledged by devs.

It is not jumping on a "hate-wagon" to critique the over-reliance on the Cartel Market as the primary means of introducing new content, to the detriment of major game systems (ie all new armor from CM, with no revamp of crafting to make it meaningful).

It is not being a hater to point out the absurd limitations on F2P, far beyond industry standard for that business model, such as restricting basic functions like quickbars. I point this out as a subscriber, who would not play as F2P anyway due to reasonable and standard restrictions like endgame.

It is certainly not unreasonable to complain about the near complete absence of communication and responses, or their over reliance on massive nerfs, or their tendency to do large infrequent changes instead of small incremental ones.

I could go on. The game and their community relations are, objectively, very flawed. I still think the end result is worth my money, but it requires living in a fantasy world to deny that there is lots and lots of room for improvement.