A must-read for the community.

Can't say I disagree with much of, or any of it for that matter.



Let's face it, the more you read the front-page threads of the General section of these forums, the points made in this article come to life.

This is an excellent article which manages to sum up my opinions on the massive amount of TOR hate quite well. Thanks for sharing

Well done,worth the read, and you just got to love how many of the trolls proved his point in their comments.

Considering this article was written in January 2012 its very out of date. But it still sheds alot of light on the hate this game was receiving.

However now i think it has largely died down and the mindless haters have moved on to the next project (i mean it DOES get boring after awhile).

However the bit where anyone who calls others a biodrone or the like must automatically be a mindless hater is completely false if you look at the forums. Anytime there is even the slightest criticism there is an army of biodrones waiting to jump on you - and they are always the first ones to respond - often totally unhelpfully (i wonder if they are just sitting on general forums pressing F5 all day)

I think most of the "hate' or nerdrage you see on the forums these days are from genuinely disappointed people who have serious and genuine gripes about the game. People who are disappointed but care about the game complain. People who dont care simply leave and tell others not to play the game

I agree with everything bar is opinion of MAss Effect and Bioware. He is absolutely right. You can ever see it play out in the comments with idiotic things like 'if it is so good why is it failing?'. It isn't, it was one of the most popular subscriber MMOs on the market up to F2P and most anecdotal evidence points to even more people playing since F2P. But this kind of nonsense still gets trotted out all the time.

The internet says it is failing so it must be, therefore anyone who defends it must be an idiot or a paid shill.

Pretty much true, this really isn't that bad of a game, yeah there's a lot of work to be done to make it great but it's still got a pretty decent base.

I don't know what it is about the internet lately but the entitlement mentality just seems to be going mental. Campaigning to have the ending of Mass Effect 3 changed because people didn't like it.... ***?! Do people honestly think they're entitled to be able to dictate how a company ends their games?! You buy the game, you play it, if you don't like it, sucks to be you.

I can't help but feel it's the exact same thing here despite what the developers do, all they'll get is a big pile of 'I can't have my hood down as a Jedi *unsub*' whinging despite it being explained a number of times that it's really not that simple to do.

You have to play the game for what it is, not what you want it to be.

It was once said early on in the forums existence
Bioware could make the greatest game in the world, one that combines everything you always wanted and changed the face of gaming for ever. The haters will still hate.
Bioware could write "The Old Republic" on an box that contained a stick, and Fanbois would defend it as edgey, game changing, innovative and game of the year.

It is cool to hate, and it is cool to hate TOR.
It does have issues, what game doesnt? But throw in something like Star Wars, bringing in millions of fans who all have millions of different ideas of what works and what doesnt, add the hype train many rode hard ignoring the sign postings, then complaining when the train rolled into the station that it wasnt the destination they thought they were going,

People keep trotting out this "entitlement" thing as if it is really bad. Yes things seem to be getting quite extreme every now and then but frankly the gaming industry could do with a lot more accountability to their paying customers and their fanbase.

As for the retake Mass Effect movement? Why the hell not? They are certainly within their right to push for a change, as much as it is the developer's right to make a bad ending if they chose to. A lot of people feel cheated by the ending. I was left confused and angry and just downright let-down.

Sucks to be me? Yes it does. Have I moved on? Yes I have. Am I still disappointed? Yes I am. Doesnt change the fact that the gaming industry needs a lot more accountability particularly in living up to hype and managing expectations - and ESPECIALLY in things like nonsensical DRM (Out of topic i know)

Have you ever watched a movie, been disappointed, and propositioned the production company to remake it how you wanted?

Have you ever read a book, been disappointed, and propositioned the publisher to rewrite it how you wanted?

Why then should a game company be any different? If people don't like it, then that's too bad. And no they're not entitled to push for change. They paid to play the game, not to like it. If the game didn't work then they can ask for it to be fixed. Just not liking it is no reason to ask for it to be changed.

I think he is exaggerating quite a bit about the "hate-wagon". Of course there are trolls and of course there are people that hate the game for no good reason and no matter what bioware and EA decide to do it will never be good enough . But that's just the case for nearly any mmo.

Imo the reason this game as become a "joke" was due to the hype that EA and Bioware builded themselves and the extreme let down that it was in some aspects. This game as some very good strong points like the companion , space combat and legacy systems. The story and soundtrack are also quite above average.

But don't forget the blunders that were in game after the release. I am not talking about bugs but design flaws. On the pvp front: no bracket for end game pvp ( although it can be justified as it was launch ), the engine not being able to handle massive open pvp, ilum patch that completely invalidated valor as people were getting up to 15 levels in only a few hours. The pure RNG nature on pvp gearing.

Which brings up one of the greatest flaws on the pve front , pure RNG system on raids making it so it was possible to drop tokens to classes that werent even on the raid or flashpoint, on top of a daily lockout for flashpoints. The extreme high prices on respecs and high repair costs and etc.

Also lets not forget the pulling out of ranked warzones a few hours before the patch was going live which forced bioware to give a free month of subs and also the bubble smash patch, that remains not addressed and it will only be partially addressed nearly 6 months after it was released once the expansion comes out.

So after all these ( and more ) failures , it is not "madness" or "bandwagon" , and the amount of hype that the companies in charge of the game built , remember they said that they had the best pvp team in the world, and the fact that they did release an unfinished product, it is only natural that a game like this would have the amount of haters that it has and that such jokes as "coming soon tm" have emerged.


By the way the guy on the article may play the game, but he doesn't seem to know the game very well as he said things like there being a nightmare mode for False Emperor or even saying he has a level 50 smuggler, which would mean he didn't pick up is AC yet....

Also he claims to be impartial while also claiming that both cases were lies. Fact is we cannot know if the accusations were fraudulent or not, maybe they in fact were but also maybe someone on the TOS made a mistake and incorrectly banned the user. I am not claiming that his is case but merely that it is a possibility.

All in all a really biased article with a few valid points but mostly exaggerated conclusions.