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Selecting need for loot


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Ratajack
03.17.2013 , 04:11 PM | #91
Quote: Originally Posted by WildbloodX View Post
if you were in a group trying to survive lost in the mountains and you came by some food, would you split the food so all party members could survive longer until you found more food, or save it until all were dead so you could last longer and not have to hunt for food as soon?
I find it ironic that you use this as an example since you are advocating denying someone the benefits of the fruits of their labors.

When you solo that boss that drops the nice shiny you want, then and only then do you have the right to tell someone that you are the only one who can roll need on it. If you are relying on the efforts of others to kill that boss, then those others have just as much right as you to reap the rewards. You can disguise it any way you want. It still boils down to a false sense of entitlement if you feel you deserve that shiny any more than another member of the party who helped produce that shiny.

Call me old fashioned, but consideration goes both ways. It is considerate to roll need for character only, but it is just as considerate to allow the rest of your party the right to roll as they see fit, since there would be no roll without the entire party.

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Levity
03.17.2013 , 04:55 PM | #92
I am going to put this politely. Once you are in raids, it is extremely bad ettiquette to ever role on something you don't need. It's not a big deal in lower lvls because you are always swapping gear, but when you take 3 hours out of your night with 7 other people to role through an operation, it's not fair to sit there and roll need on everything your companion "needs."

Learn that now, or you will never find yourself in an ops group willing to deal with that bs.

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Aebrynis
03.17.2013 , 05:01 PM | #93
Quote: Originally Posted by _biddan_ View Post
be ready to see this bump to 10/10 for strentching it out to at least 10 pages.
And we're at 10/10.

The last time I had someone Needing on things he couldn't use (a Gunslinger), I remarked "Ah, okay, so we're all rolling Need on all the drops now. Cool."

Well, I wasn't actually cool with it, but everyone started rolling Need, so it was fine. If I came away with something a Smuggler could use, I handed it over to the Scoundrel who was doing our heals. I won the roll, so I get to decide what to do with it. I was fortunate (?) there were no Consular drops that trip through, thus insuring that I didn't get anything I actually needed, but the Scoundrel reciprocated by handing me the Aim chest armor she got, and said "For Qyzen". I was particularly amused when the Guardian won the much-coveted handgun drop...and also handed it to the Scoundrel.

You reap what you sow.

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SithKoriandr
03.17.2013 , 05:02 PM | #94
Quote: Originally Posted by Jonrobbie View Post
Came across two flashpoints yesterday where I was verbally talked down to by a gamer each time for winning loot for my companion. I dont understand the big deal. Why the sense of entitlement over another gamer? If I see an item that would be needed for my companion to equip im going to roll for it. If someone else wins it, cool, good for them as far as im concerned. If i win it f, suddenly there are problems.
First flashpoint came across an item, i passed as neither i nor my companions needed it, Second one selected need for my tank. Got it. Third one, great for my tank, selected need, got it again. Then got told I was scum and voted off.
Second one, passed on two items, third one great for my tank, selected need and was told I had no right if it was for my companion and that I cant select need. I say why not? Out of 13 loot drops in that flashpoint i chose need on 2. How is that greedy?

As far as im concerned, im a paid subscriber. Why should some other gamer dictate to me what I can or cannot do to benefit them? If someone wants help on a mission or flashpoint and asks me, ill have no problem helping them but if i see something my tank needs, im selecting need. Im certainly not going to cry over it if someone else wins it. This sense of entitlement over someone else is baffling. There is no rulebook in the game that states that you cant do it and everyone who rolls for it has an equal chance
While I don't do this, because basically it's known as bad form, unless I ask the group AHEAD of time. Like when I do a Black Talon, but what I want is one specific piece from that FP (like the Black Talon Marauder Tunic)...I agree with you.

The other players should get over it. Instead of booting you, they should let you either select need/greed as you see fit, or quit themselves. You joined the FP, you helped them get that far, instead of kicking you, they should have quit themselves or continued on.

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Levity
03.17.2013 , 05:10 PM | #95
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
I find it ironic that you use this as an example since you are advocating denying someone the benefits of the fruits of their labors.

When you solo that boss that drops the nice shiny you want, then and only then do you have the right to tell someone that you are the only one who can roll need on it. If you are relying on the efforts of others to kill that boss, then those others have just as much right as you to reap the rewards. You can disguise it any way you want. It still boils down to a false sense of entitlement if you feel you deserve that shiny any more than another member of the party who helped produce that shiny.

Call me old fashioned, but consideration goes both ways. It is considerate to roll need for character only, but it is just as considerate to allow the rest of your party the right to roll as they see fit, since there would be no roll without the entire party.
No that is not how it works. And it is not being entitled. And may I tell you how? It doesn't matter if a smuggler item drops, I guarantee if a non smuggler guy rolls need on it and wins he will hear something from every class in the group. Rolling need on something that doesn't benefitt you in anyway is an entitled attitude. Companions don't change the name of the loot game in MMO's. It is rude to group up with people who are taking the time just like you to do a FP/Ops, whatever it may be, and roll on possible upgrades for your other group members. What so if 3 peices of gear dropped that your companion could use and a guy in the group also could use it and you won all three. How does that sound right or fair? You are entitled to be a rude ******* in the game for sure. But don't expect to continue to be able to do group content.

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Lung_Tien_Lien
03.17.2013 , 05:11 PM | #96
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
So, it's inconsiderate for player d to exercise his right to roll on loot he helped produce, but it's perfectly reasonable for players A,B and C to want to deny another player the right to benefit from their efforts?
I'm still wondering if you're trolling. I know this is annoying to hear if you aren't, but I've been reading your posts and have no idea how someone can come to the conclusions you've arrived at.

Look, players A, B and C aren't denying player D the loot at all - they're asking for equal chances for everyone. Why is player D more entitled to the loot than the other players? Because they "choose" not to need? "For charity" presumably (going by the example in one of your other posts)?

Where does this mindset that you're defending lead? When are people supposed to select greed then? When they're feeling generous? This would lead to most people always rolling need. I know I would. Why select greed if they guy needing the item might just sell it anyway? Fair enough, but then why do we have this system at all? Why not give everyone equal chances to begin with?

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Wraiven
03.17.2013 , 05:44 PM | #97
Funny how he is the one with the self entitlement attitude, while all while telling everyone else they are the ones have the issue. It's like the towel calling all the normal people who clearly are not towels....a towel.
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river_of_Gem
03.17.2013 , 06:11 PM | #98
Funnily enough while some guy like Rataja ( sould like Ratatta lol ) etc can keep arguing over and over to show how dangerous they are ( sad i know ) i can just vote kick a ninja and he will end up on several tank's ignore list ( me and my guild )

Keep debating !

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Elyssandra
03.17.2013 , 06:22 PM | #99
Quote: Originally Posted by Cernow View Post
...so you decided to trot out the entitlement line because you read it somewhere and thought it sounded cool?
lol

BTW Ratajack, after some complaints, the loot was 'fixed" so only loot for classes that are present in the FP drop.
So for eg if an aim piece drops, it is because a trooper player is actually in your flashpoint.

When you need on a piece for your companion you're effectively denying it to the class that can use it.

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Akash
03.17.2013 , 06:25 PM | #100
Need is for you (and then only if it is an upgrade), greed is for companions. Vote kick incoming for violations. End of story.
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