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Wraiven
03.17.2013 , 10:04 AM | #71
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Does the person sitting next to you control your companion, or do you? This game is not like most MMO's in which a player has only the character they are logged in playing. The companions in this game are an integral part of your character, to the point where you would not be able to survive without them, in most cases. We are not talking about needing an item to send to an alt, but an item that would be used to benefit the character logged in, even by proxy. Is that shiny so important to you that you would ignore the fact that it would not even exist if not for the OP, and deny the OP the right to roll, just so you can guarantee you win it?
lol, why are you arguing with everyone, man? You came in here asking for people's opinion. You wanted to know if people felt like needing on items for companions was considered wrong. Well, you have your answer. So why are you arguing with everyone over this? Do you think you are honestly going to change anyone's mind?

Hey, there is a system in place set by MMO players that has been in place since the beginning of the loot system. Most MMO players abide by this rule. If you chose not to abide by this rule like everyone else does, fine. Be ready to be removed from your teams and in some instances cussed out. Be prepared to be humiliated. This is your choice and this is the ultimate consequence for your choice. You obviously do not plan to change your ways, so this is the MMO life you will be faced with, but be warned...players are quick to place people on ignore these days. You do this to enough people, the word that you are a ninja will quickly spread on your server, and you will be ignored by the whole server. Sounds like a bit much, right? Trust me, I have seen it done to a guy already in Age of Conan. The guy was forced to quit the server because he was unable to get in to a guild, unable to get in to a Raid and unable to progress. This could be you...if this is what you chose, so be it, but you will not convince us that what you are doing is fine and dandy.

Good luck.
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dcgregorya
03.17.2013 , 10:06 AM | #72
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
The PLAYER contributed to the kill. The PLAYER has the right to roll on the loot. Trying to separate the player and the companion is simply an attempt to justify an entitled attitude, in my opinion.
You're almost universally disagreed with opinion. When you play with others, you play by consensus rules or you play with yourself.

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Ratajack
03.17.2013 , 10:09 AM | #73
Quote: Originally Posted by Drudenfusz View Post
In group activities that invole no companions the players go always first. Sure, if yoou like toa have something for a companion that a player could not need at the moment, I don't mind then rolling need (but still it would be polite asking at the start of the flashpoint before doing so). If you behave like an egoist, I can understand that people don't want to play with you then. What next, rolling need in operations, because the companion needs it?
Have you read all my posts? I'm guessing that you haven't. I do not generally roll need unless it is for my character, but I will defend another player's right to roll for any reason. I will vote no if someone attempts to vote kick a member of the group for rolling need, and maybe my one vote will make a difference, maybe not.

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Ratajack
03.17.2013 , 10:14 AM | #74
Quote: Originally Posted by dcgregorya View Post
You're almost universally disagreed with opinion. When you play with others, you play by consensus rules or you play with yourself.
Actually, although I usually end up with at least one d-bag in my LFG groups, most of the people I have been grouped with seem to have the same opinion I do. Most will roll need for their character, but do not complain or get butthurt if someone rolls need for a companion. That may be because some players have put me on their ignore lists, but I've never waited longer than 10 minutes for a queue to pop, even as DPS. I can't believe I'm on too many ignore lists with that short a wait time.

My guild holds the same principles, as well. I'm never at a loss for people with whom to group.

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dcgregorya
03.17.2013 , 10:15 AM | #75
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Actually, although I usually end up with at least one d-bag in my LFG groups, most of the people I have been grouped with seem to have the same opinion I do. Most will roll need for their character, but do not complain or get butthurt if someone rolls need for a companion. That may be because some players have put me on their ignore lists, but I've never waited longer than 10 minutes for a queue to pop, even as DPS. I can't believe I'm on too many ignore lists with that short a wait time.

My guild holds the same principles, as well. I'm never at a loss for people with whom to group.
I knew you were lying when you said "10 minute queue" and "I'm a DPS" in the same paragraph.

Nice troll though.

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Ratajack
03.17.2013 , 10:17 AM | #76
Quote: Originally Posted by Wraiven View Post
lol, why are you arguing with everyone, man? You came in here asking for people's opinion. You wanted to know if people felt like needing on items for companions was considered wrong. Well, you have your answer. So why are you arguing with everyone over this? Do you think you are honestly going to change anyone's mind?

Hey, there is a system in place set by MMO players that has been in place since the beginning of the loot system. Most MMO players abide by this rule. If you chose not to abide by this rule like everyone else does, fine. Be ready to be removed from your teams and in some instances cussed out. Be prepared to be humiliated. This is your choice and this is the ultimate consequence for your choice. You obviously do not plan to change your ways, so this is the MMO life you will be faced with, but be warned...players are quick to place people on ignore these days. You do this to enough people, the word that you are a ninja will quickly spread on your server, and you will be ignored by the whole server. Sounds like a bit much, right? Trust me, I have seen it done to a guy already in Age of Conan. The guy was forced to quit the server because he was unable to get in to a guild, unable to get in to a Raid and unable to progress. This could be you...if this is what you chose, so be it, but you will not convince us that what you are doing is fine and dandy.

Good luck.
Excuse me? I'm not the OP, I came in here asking for nothing. I am simply defending another player's right to benefit from their efforts. I am not one of the "entitled" generation who feels that I alone deserve the rewards someone else worked to produce.

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jedimasterjac
03.17.2013 , 10:19 AM | #77
Quote: Originally Posted by Jonrobbie View Post
But why is their character more important? I play with my companion beside me every second im not playing a flashpoint and my companion is critical in my winning each mission. So i dont understand why their gaming is more important than mine. I dont understand this sense of entitlement that someone else has over another gamer. If you pay for a game it should not be dictated on someone elses terms how you play should it? As long as you arent cheating.
Because this is an MMO. Not a singleplayer game. When somebody gets gear that can truly improve their character, and someone needs it for no apparent reason, they get pretty mad. I've gone in to 1 or 2 rages when it was the final boss of Hammer Station, and the only drop I got was needed and the other guy won it, when he wasn't even my class.
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xAyahuaskax
03.17.2013 , 10:30 AM | #78
The problem Ratajack is that, at the end of the day, no one benefits from that set of rules which support needing for companion.
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Cernow
03.17.2013 , 10:35 AM | #79
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Excuse me? I'm not the OP, I came in here asking for nothing. I am simply defending another player's right to benefit from their efforts. I am not one of the "entitled" generation who feels that I alone deserve the rewards someone else worked to produce.
Ah, argument not going so well for you, so you decided to trot out the entitlement line because you read it somewhere and thought it sounded cool?

If anyone is entitled its those like yourself and the OP who think they deserve extra for their 25% of the effort by also including their companion's needs in rolls as well as their own. Loving the hypocrisy.

Common courtesy. Manners. Politeness. Alien concepts to you?

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Ratajack
03.17.2013 , 10:37 AM | #80
Quote: Originally Posted by xAyahuaskax View Post
The problem Ratajack is that, at the end of the day, no one benefits from that set of rules which support needing for companion.
So because you cannot benefit from allowing the dice to decide, that makes it ok to take away the rights of another so that only you can benefit?