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_biddan_
03.17.2013 , 04:46 AM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by Aebrynis View Post
This was my immediate thought, as well. Bumped to 9/10 for stretching the 'discussion' out to 5 pages.
be ready to see this bump to 10/10 for strentching it out to at least 10 pages.
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Ratajack
03.17.2013 , 08:22 AM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by CelCawdro View Post
I would take the stance that loot produced in a companion-less environment should not take those absentee companions into consideration. Corso wasn't there. Companions aren't as much a part of your character as your own - they are absent in full groups, operations and PvP content. Granted they're always there for solo play, but then again, so is your character.

Likewise, maturity doesn't factor into this discussion in the slightest as more-mature players would have a discussion about this kind of thing before it even becomes an issue. A simple "Do you mind if I roll for my companion?" works wonders.
The PLAYER was there. The PLAYER helped to produce the loot. The PLAYER has the right to roll on said loot, regardless of how that PLAYER intends to use it. As I said before, trying to separate the PLAYER from the companion is simply an attempt to justify an entitled attitude, in my opinion.

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Ratajack
03.17.2013 , 08:24 AM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by Hyfy View Post
There is one major flame to your argument. Companions don't get to roll on items, only the 3 players do. I understand what you're getting at but your argument is vastly flawed.
Characters do not get to roll on items, either, only the PLAYERS do.

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Ratajack
03.17.2013 , 08:29 AM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by TrillOG- View Post
I really hope for your sake you change your ways. Id give you the boot if you were needing on things for your companion without mentioning anything. You don't need on companion rolls, you can ask if noone needs it, and then roll need if its cool with everyone. You will end up time, and time again taking gear someone actually needs for their own character. You taking it for your companion when they need it is ridiculous, and I'm sure if it happened to you then you'd be pissed. I still feel like this is a troll by how ridiculous, and selfish the OP sounds.
Let's look at this logically. The OP helped create the items he rolled on. The OP did NOT, in any way, attempt to prevent any other members of the group from rolling on those items. You want to prevent the OP from rolling on items he helped to produce, in order to maximize your chances of winning said items. Which one is selfish? I'll give you a hint. It sure isn't the OP, in my opinion.

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Darkwords
03.17.2013 , 08:57 AM | #65
There are valid arguments for both sides. If you need an item for a companion, ask before you need in case a main wants it and don't be a loot ho...pass the next item that drops to make it fair.

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Pingonaut
03.17.2013 , 09:06 AM | #66
There's a thing called common courtesy. You need some of it, OP. If I needed for an item that would be used on a whole separate character I could need for everything if I wanted. I can't believe you actually think you shouldn't be kicked for needing on items for different characters when the people doing the mission with you would be able to use it. If no one wants the item, fine. If you want items for your other character do the mission on your other character.

Now I understand the mindset of them. No wonder.

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Ratajack
03.17.2013 , 09:25 AM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by Pingonaut View Post
There's a thing called common courtesy. You need some of it, OP. If I needed for an item that would be used on a whole separate character I could need for everything if I wanted. I can't believe you actually think you shouldn't be kicked for needing on items for different characters when the people doing the mission with you would be able to use it. If no one wants the item, fine. If you want items for your other character do the mission on your other character.

Now I understand the mindset of them. No wonder.
Does the person sitting next to you control your companion, or do you? This game is not like most MMO's in which a player has only the character they are logged in playing. The companions in this game are an integral part of your character, to the point where you would not be able to survive without them, in most cases. We are not talking about needing an item to send to an alt, but an item that would be used to benefit the character logged in, even by proxy. Is that shiny so important to you that you would ignore the fact that it would not even exist if not for the OP, and deny the OP the right to roll, just so you can guarantee you win it?

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Drudenfusz
03.17.2013 , 09:44 AM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Does the person sitting next to you control your companion, or do you? This game is not like most MMO's in which a player has only the character they are logged in playing. The companions in this game are an integral part of your character, to the point where you would not be able to survive without them, in most cases. We are not talking about needing an item to send to an alt, but an item that would be used to benefit the character logged in, even by proxy. Is that shiny so important to you that you would ignore the fact that it would not even exist if not for the OP, and deny the OP the right to roll, just so you can guarantee you win it?
In group activities that invole no companions the players go always first. Sure, if yoou like toa have something for a companion that a player could not need at the moment, I don't mind then rolling need (but still it would be polite asking at the start of the flashpoint before doing so). If you behave like an egoist, I can understand that people don't want to play with you then. What next, rolling need in operations, because the companion needs it?
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dcgregorya
03.17.2013 , 09:54 AM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by Jonrobbie View Post
Came across two flashpoints yesterday where I was verbally talked down to by a gamer each time for winning loot for my companion. I dont understand the big deal. Why the sense of entitlement over another gamer? If I see an item that would be needed for my companion to equip im going to roll for it. If someone else wins it, cool, good for them as far as im concerned. If i win it f, suddenly there are problems.
At the end of the day, its a social game. They're not entitled to gear just as you're not entitled to getting a group with people who don't want you to do that.

So keep it up but don't come whining here if people votekick you or won't group with you.

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xAyahuaskax
03.17.2013 , 09:55 AM | #70
Unwritten rule for NEED is invented in MMO community a long time ago, for a particular reason, efficiency of time spent farming a single content. If it didn't existed, you'd have less chance to win in long run. So everyone benefits from this less farming, more satisfied players. Drops from runs will be more evenly distributed to players that actually use them, rather than most of it going to trash.

As for companions, even though they are part of your character etc etc. they can't be put on same level as your actual char. As OP mentioned, use of companions is limited only to solo content or in groups with max 2 other players. For everything else you have only yourself. Other than that your efficiency increases much less when you gear up your companion, than when you gear up your char. Imagine if you are DPS and are with your DPS companion. Try making a parse with you wearing Dread Guard gear and your companion in Columi. Now try making a parse with ur companion in Dread Guard and you in Columi. Difference is ridiculos. So yeah companions are there to make it easier for you, but in no way can be considered with same importance as ones character.
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