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Selecting need for loot


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Jonrobbie
03.16.2013 , 04:42 PM | #1
Came across two flashpoints yesterday where I was verbally talked down to by a gamer each time for winning loot for my companion. I dont understand the big deal. Why the sense of entitlement over another gamer? If I see an item that would be needed for my companion to equip im going to roll for it. If someone else wins it, cool, good for them as far as im concerned. If i win it f, suddenly there are problems.
First flashpoint came across an item, i passed as neither i nor my companions needed it, Second one selected need for my tank. Got it. Third one, great for my tank, selected need, got it again. Then got told I was scum and voted off.
Second one, passed on two items, third one great for my tank, selected need and was told I had no right if it was for my companion and that I cant select need. I say why not? Out of 13 loot drops in that flashpoint i chose need on 2. How is that greedy?

As far as im concerned, im a paid subscriber. Why should some other gamer dictate to me what I can or cannot do to benefit them? If someone wants help on a mission or flashpoint and asks me, ill have no problem helping them but if i see something my tank needs, im selecting need. Im certainly not going to cry over it if someone else wins it. This sense of entitlement over someone else is baffling. There is no rulebook in the game that states that you cant do it and everyone who rolls for it has an equal chance

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DorkTrooper
03.16.2013 , 04:44 PM | #2
Im certainly not going to cry over it if someone else wins it.

Then don't cry about it if they decide to boot you from the group for needing items they could have used on their actual character. It goes both ways.

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Jonrobbie
03.16.2013 , 04:51 PM | #3
But why is their character more important? I play with my companion beside me every second im not playing a flashpoint and my companion is critical in my winning each mission. So i dont understand why their gaming is more important than mine. I dont understand this sense of entitlement that someone else has over another gamer. If you pay for a game it should not be dictated on someone elses terms how you play should it? As long as you arent cheating.

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Vandicus
03.16.2013 , 04:53 PM | #4
Why should you dictate their ability to choose to play with you? They simply decided that you're not the kind of person they wish to play with. You have no right to dictate that to them, as they're paying subscribers.
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CrazyGreggy
03.16.2013 , 04:53 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Jonrobbie View Post
As far as im concerned, im a paid subscriber. Why should some other gamer dictate to me what I can or cannot do to benefit them? If someone wants help on a mission or flashpoint and asks me, ill have no problem helping them but if i see something my tank needs, im selecting need. Im certainly not going to cry over it if someone else wins it. This sense of entitlement over someone else is baffling. There is no rulebook in the game that states that you cant do it and everyone who rolls for it has an equal chance
Social conventions in this game with the companion system have developed to the point where Need is for you, Greed is sale or companions. If you choose to flout those conventions, then expect the other players to kick you. These are unwritten rules, just like not queue-jumping at a bus stop is an unwritten rule, but still one that the other people around you expect to be obeyed. Being selfish, denying other players an upgrade just so you can use it on one of your companions, is going to get you a reputation as a ninja. Paying for the game does not give you carte blanche to be that guy everybody hates with zero consequences.

You need those other gamers to complete group content, THAT is what gives them the right. You want to play solo and rely on the RNG giving you useful items, go right ahead. You want to play in flashpoints, ops and other group activities, get over yourself and learn to play nice.

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Icebergy
03.16.2013 , 05:01 PM | #6
This is one of the most hypocritical OPs I have ever seen.
Unsubscribed due to no new Operations.
I am happy that there will be a renewed focus on story, I love story, its why I picked this MMO. But I picked an MMO, not an episodic single player RPG that I have to pay a subscription to receive the episodes.

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Ratajack
03.16.2013 , 05:01 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by DorkTrooper View Post
Im certainly not going to cry over it if someone else wins it.

Then don't cry about it if they decide to boot you from the group for needing items they could have used on their actual character. It goes both ways.
Actually your comparison is not a valid one. It goes both ways would be more accurate if the "actual character" player was booted for rolling need.

Unless the "actual character" player soloed the mob that dropped the loot, he has no right to tell another player they cannot roll need. Everyone who participates in the fight has the right to roll need.

Having said that, I generally do not roll need in a pug for gear that is not an upgrade for my character, but I still respect the rights of the other players and do not deny them the right to roll on loot they helped produce. I am much more likely to vote to kick a player with an entitled attitude such as "I'm a sniper and all cunning gear is mine" than I am to vote to kick a player who needs on gear for their companion.

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Altyrell
03.16.2013 , 05:02 PM | #8
Not to mention Greggy, but that system you mention is basic common courtesy. Need what Player A actually needs with Greed being for Companion/Sell.

That said, if an Item comes up that is for a Class that isn't in the Group or the Class is in the Group but isn't the right AC, then someone selecting Need [in that instance] shouldn't be yelled at or booted

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Vandicus
03.16.2013 , 05:02 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post

Unless the "actual character" player soloed the mob that dropped the loot, he has no right to tell another player they cannot roll need. Everyone who participates in the fight has the right to roll need.
And the group has the right to vote kick them and put them on ignore.
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Ratajack
03.16.2013 , 05:06 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by CrazyGreggy View Post
Social conventions in this game with the companion system have developed to the point where Need is for you, Greed is sale or companions. If you choose to flout those conventions, then expect the other players to kick you. These are unwritten rules, just like not queue-jumping at a bus stop is an unwritten rule, but still one that the other people around you expect to be obeyed. Being selfish, denying other players an upgrade just so you can use it on one of your companions, is going to get you a reputation as a ninja. Paying for the game does not give you carte blanche to be that guy everybody hates with zero consequences.

You need those other gamers to complete group content, THAT is what gives them the right. You want to play solo and rely on the RNG giving you useful items, go right ahead. You want to play in flashpoints, ops and other group activities, get over yourself and learn to play nice.
I've lost count of the number of players I've been grouped with via the LFD tool who tout those "unwritten rules" when it comes to gear their character can use, but who also want to roll need for their companions. Seems to me that a lot of the players want to have their cake and eat it, too.