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Infernixx
03.12.2013 , 03:21 PM | #611
Quote: Originally Posted by CosmicKat View Post
I have been subscribed since about a month after launch.

I have bought 1 armor set, 2 race unlocks, and have enough points currently to buy another armor set.

Their "reward" for subscribers is to give us a taste of the stuff that we should be getting for subscribing. This isn't a reward program, it's a carrot to get you to spend more on stuff you shouldn't have to pay extra for in the first place.
You 'believe' that you shouldn't have to pay for it. And you're free to believe it.

But, if you think that MMOs shouldn't be a system of 'stick and/or carrot', you're going to be disappointed. That sort of gear grinding/rep grinding/credit grinding is how these things are done.

In short, if you want more, either put in the time or the money to get it.

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Katszc
03.12.2013 , 03:22 PM | #612
*Looks on the GTN*

Oh my, a ton of stuff from the Cartel Market I can buy for credits!




Honestly, the amount of whining kids in this game is astonishing.
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03.12.2013 , 03:22 PM | #613
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
I see. So it will be you + your posse then?
That doesn't help Andryah. He's frustrated, and rightfully so. You don't have to agree with him, but this reply is simply mocking him.
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Mevan
03.12.2013 , 03:23 PM | #614
Quote: Originally Posted by Katszc View Post
They already do, if you're not a subscriber, you gotta pay weekly to do them, or well, get something out of doing them, but warzones you gotta pay for. ;P
And you failed to see that I wrote you can buy the packs for credits, always could, always will be able to.
So still, they are not forcing you to buy the packs with RL money.
Yes, I could buy them, for around 350K each. That would literally take me years to acomplish. So let's not use ridiculous workarounds and face facts: you have to pay to access new content.
And yes, but I AM a subscriber. Been supporting the game since early access. Perhaps I should make the comparison a little clearer, though; How about making it so everyone not only has to pay for Ops, warzones etc, but that you also have to gamble for them. Going on my experience, we'll say it'd be a 1 in 20 chance to get the item you want. That's not even mentioning the reputation you have to buy to be able to get what you want...

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Eillack
03.12.2013 , 03:24 PM | #615
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
That doesn't help Andryah. He's frustrated, and rightfully so. You don't have to agree with him, but this reply is simply mocking him.
Don't even bother.

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Andryah
03.12.2013 , 03:24 PM | #616
Quote: Originally Posted by CosmicKat View Post
Their "reward" for subscribers is to give us a taste of the stuff that we should be getting for subscribing. This isn't a reward program, it's a carrot to get you to spend more on stuff you shouldn't have to pay extra for in the first place.
Actually it is the equivalent of a $5 discount on your subscription.

I do not however expect you to be reasonable and see it that way.

As for your Warzones strawman in an earlier thread... they are not free to anyone. Either you pay a subscription to gain access OR you buy passes on the CCM. Subscribers get a broad set of access to the game that non-subscribers do not unless they pay to unlock them via the CCM. The game runs under a dual access model.
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Infernixx
03.12.2013 , 03:24 PM | #617
Quote: Originally Posted by Mevan View Post
Yes, I could buy them, for around 350K each. That would literally take me years to acomplish. So let's not use ridiculous workarounds and face facts: you have to pay to access new content.
And yes, but I AM a subscriber. Been supporting the game since early access. Perhaps I should make the comparison a little clearer, though; How about making it so everyone not only has to pay for Ops, warzones etc, but that you also have to gamble for them. Going on my experience, we'll say it'd be a 1 in 20 chance to get the item you want. That's not even mentioning the reputation you have to buy to be able to get what you want...
Do you sincerely think that the price will stay at 350k forever? Or even for more than a few weeks at most?

Is there an item or Cartel Pack that's ever been released that hasn't dropped in price over time?

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Levity
03.12.2013 , 03:25 PM | #618
Quote: Originally Posted by Vember View Post
Just about every mmo now has a cash shop with cosmetic items in it. This is pretty much standard fare these days, so I don't see what the problem is. Going back to that, no multipage hate threads were started about people buying packs from the cartel market, but now that those same people are able to earn specific reputation that gives them zero advantage over anyone else, suddenly the world is ending and EA is an evil money grabber? I don't buy the ridiculous amount of angst being generated over this.
Name a f2p mmo that has a rep. grind based on their cash shop? There's been threads complaining about the CM since it's come out. Especially when the ship components were put in there. In everyone of those threads people have remarked about how they are just putting it out as a cash grab. I have no issues with this. But you do it with finesse. You don't take a core MMO element and make it a cash grab. That is what was wrong. They would of made money off of the packs regardless(the stuff in them is hella awesome imo). This rep. thing is seeing how far they can take their model into the core elements of the game. That;s a bad sign to a lot of people.

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Andryah
03.12.2013 , 03:26 PM | #619
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
That doesn't help Andryah. He's frustrated, and rightfully so. You don't have to agree with him, but this reply is simply mocking him.
His threat to quit and take people with him is equally unhelpful. I'm not going to ignore it. Threats earn a reply.
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chuixupu
03.12.2013 , 03:26 PM | #620
Quote: Originally Posted by Boyana View Post
How about you thank to those who have been playing your game since the day one? Instead, you are saying thanks to people who came one month ago and spent money at your pathetic Cartel Market while those who kept you game alive for over a year got...what? WE made that Cartel Market. For every item we got, they could get 5 more and 5 times better, 5 times easier.
Yes, we made that Cartel Market. Most of the people I know spending hundreds of dollars on those packs are, in fact, long time subscribers. Nobody is coming into this game just to buy some vanity items and leave.

I agree that I would like to see more love thrown at those simply paying a subscription fee (as Damion Schubert keeps saying it's important to them), however the truth of the matter is a lot of those same people are the same people buying the packs, quite possibly the most amount of money coming into the game now is from those packs, so yes, they're going to want to reward those people and keep encouraging them to buy them.
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