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Scripts in PVP


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Crawelc
03.12.2013 , 07:47 AM | #281
With all the recent dev activity on the forums I am really hoping for a post in here.
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Polymerize
03.12.2013 , 07:52 AM | #282
Quote: Originally Posted by DharmaPolice View Post
I can certainly imagine a script helping a player with certain tasks, the issue is what level of control you'd give to a program without it causing an issue elsewhere in your play. Some abilities don't affect the global cool down and don't consume resources - they would work well. But most abilities aren't like that, and something independently carrying out commands doesn't sound like it's the overwhelming advantage the OP (and others) are making out.

Imagine a second person controlling your character with you. It'd have advantages, certainly - there's lots of things I miss in the middle of fights (e.g. to activate an AOE taunt). But even if the second person had vastly superior reactions to mine, and we had a strict agreement about what he should do it's easy to picture how we'd get in each others way - I'd like to switch targets to prevent a cap in voidstar, he'd like to finish off the person I'm fighting as their health is below a certain %.

Moreover, a lot of decisions aren't easy to reduce to simple rules. One thing I often find happen is I die before I have a chance to apply a medpac. Computer level reflexes would be great there, except I'm not sure what rule there should be to decide when to apply it.. It's certainly not when health drops below a certain % because there are times I know healers have got my back and other cases where it's pointless because I know that I'll be killed in 2 seconds anyway. So something as simple as an "auto medpac" isn't without problems - you can imagine how more complex decisions would be really difficult to script.

Again - I think scripts certainly have some scope for use in PVP, but some of the claims being made here sound dubious at best. Can you make a script that gives you the optimal rotation. Sure - you could probably break all records on the Ops dummy using such a thing (if you had a good connection). But PVP is much more than that.



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KamujinKravshera
03.12.2013 , 07:56 AM | #283
What many of you are missing is that you can control the scripts in real time. So when you need a timely stun, interupt, AoE, grenade, you simply override the script and do it. Since you're not focused on you rotation, you have much more time to plan these moves for the best tactical benefit.

Too many people are thinking fully automated bots. This is not what's happening. Smart players are using the scripts to augment and enhance their choices, not fully replace them.
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Thurinlore
03.12.2013 , 10:48 AM | #284
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KamujinKravshera
03.12.2013 , 10:59 AM | #285
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Enexemander
03.12.2013 , 11:11 AM | #286
Quote: Originally Posted by Thurinlore View Post
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Thurinlore
03.12.2013 , 11:48 AM | #287
Quote: Originally Posted by KamujinKravshera View Post
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KamujinKravshera
03.12.2013 , 12:05 PM | #288
Quote: Originally Posted by Thurinlore View Post
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What's next some ascii art of an owl saying O'really?
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dcgregorya
03.12.2013 , 12:31 PM | #289
Quote: Originally Posted by DharmaPolice View Post
I can certainly imagine a script helping a player with certain tasks, the issue is what level of control you'd give to a program without it causing an issue elsewhere in your play. Some abilities don't affect the global cool down and don't consume resources - they would work well. But most abilities aren't like that, and something independently carrying out commands doesn't sound like it's the overwhelming advantage the OP (and others) are making out.
Pretty much this.

I played a MUD (text based PVP RPG game) for many years (10 or so). You could much more easily "script" a game like that. But what you cannot script is things like not wanting to overspam because you need to be somewhere else like checking on the other door in voidstar. Or not wanting to blow a cooldown because you're about to change targets. Etc. A script will never perform at even 50% of what a good player can do easily without any scripts. The game is not just about mashing rotations.

A simple thing like who to stun, or toying with people to pull them off a door for a cap in voidstar, etc. There's more situations than I can count where a computer just can't make the right decision.

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KamujinKravshera
03.12.2013 , 12:41 PM | #290
Quote: Originally Posted by dcgregorya View Post
Pretty much this.

I played a MUD (text based PVP RPG game) for many years (10 or so). You could much more easily "script" a game like that. But what you cannot script is things like not wanting to overspam because you need to be somewhere else like checking on the other door in voidstar. Or not wanting to blow a cooldown because you're about to change targets. Etc. A script will never perform at even 50% of what a good player can do easily without any scripts. The game is not just about mashing rotations.

A simple thing like who to stun, or toying with people to pull them off a door for a cap in voidstar, etc. There's more situations than I can count where a computer just can't make the right decision.
But you can do all of those things too. Think of it as steering the script. The human keeps all of the jobs that require critical thinking and the machine performs the highly automatable tasks like looking for procs, choosing smart attacks, chaining defensive CD's. It's more like being a cyborg than a robot. You're mixing the best of what humans can do with the best of what computers can.
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